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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-24-2012, 01:06 PM   #1231
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But... but... Trey was a little angel just minding his business with a bag of skittles and some tea! Everyone who says otherwise is just RACIST.

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Old 03-24-2012, 01:11 PM   #1232
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If Zimmerman and this witnesses testimony match it is looking more and more like this Treyvon was the dipshit. I wouldn't convict the guy from what I am reading here. Not to say there isn't other evidence to say that Zimmerman didn't touch the kid first. But if there is no evidence of Zimmerman touching the kid and there is not a witness who might have seen anything like that then Zimmerman is and should be a free man.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:12 PM   #1233
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How can they make that the headline? Reading the article, it never says the witness actually saw the fight start. It does say he saw Martin was on top and Zimmerman was yelling for help. Then it says the witness said he was going to call 911 and by the time he got his eyes back on the fight, Martin was dead. It doesn't even mention when/whether the witness heard the gunshot.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:17 PM   #1234
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Their reason is that Zimmerman says he was defending himself and there are no witnesses to claim otherwise. Personally, I think you lose your right to defend yourself with a firearm when you instigate a conflict.
Apparently there are witnesses to corroborate his story:
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:18 PM   #1235
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So here's a question: at what point does a fight reach the point where shooting becomes justified?

To me, I'm not even sure a thorough ass kicking justifies the killing of someone. I realize when being beaten, there's a risk of getting to a point where you no longer have the ability to take action. There's also the issue of trying to define each individual's "breaking point" where they believe they have no choice but to respond with deadly force, and realistically isn't that individual's belief what "justifies" it?


It's kind of a scary thing. I support the Americans' right to own guns, and even carry them for the purpose of self defense. But there is clearly a lot of room for individual interpretation of the situation.

At the very least, I hope this event brings about awareness that there is a need for heavy scrutiny in every self defense killing.
See the problem is you never know when or if the ass kicker is going to stop or if hes going to beat you to death.

If someone were to come at me physically (especially if I'm with my family) and there is no way to diffuse the situation on a rational level. Im going to let you know Im carrying and will not hesitate to use it. You still want to play, call my bluff, its not going to end well for you. I dont give a shit for all the macho fight like a man bullshit (been there, done that and grew up) if its me or you its going to be you.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:19 PM   #1236
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Dude.
Take a minute to research the difference between a sworn police officer and a call center worker.
Or the differences between a sworn police officer and a neighborhood watch captain?

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Does Al give 2 shits about that story?
Ah, so it IS about race for you.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:19 PM   #1237
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How can they make that the headline? Reading the article, it never says the witness actually saw the fight start. It does say he saw Martin was on top and Zimmerman was yelling for help. Then it says the witness said he was going to call 911 and by the time he got his eyes back on the fight, Martin was dead. It doesn't even mention when/whether the witness heard the gunshot.
Are you serious?

If the kid was on top, and zimmermans nose was bloody and the back of his head was bloody and he was yelling "help, help" his life was in danger.

He defended his life. Move along now.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:27 PM   #1238
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According to this the Black Panthers are now involved.

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Old 03-24-2012, 01:28 PM   #1239
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According to this the Black Panthers are now involved.

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/os-trayvon...,0,41462.story
I didn't realize they were still around.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:29 PM   #1240
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How can they make that the headline? Reading the article, it never says the witness actually saw the fight start. It does say he saw Martin was on top and Zimmerman was yelling for help. Then it says the witness said he was going to call 911 and by the time he got his eyes back on the fight, Martin was dead. It doesn't even mention when/whether the witness heard the gunshot.
Correct, we still don't know what started the fight. This pretty much just confirms what the evidence already told us, that Trayvon was whoopin Zimmerman's ass. It also puts to rest the hot blond chick with the butch hair cut and magnificent rack's opinion that Trayvon was the one screaming because it stopped with the gun shot.
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Correct, we still don't know what started the fight. This pretty much just confirms what the evidence already told us, that Trayvon was whoopin Zimmerman's ass. It also puts to rest the hot blond chick with the butch hair cut and magnificent rack's opinion that Trayvon was the one screaming because it stopped with the gun shot.
Woah, woah, woah. Gonna need pics here, please. So we can read her body language for truthfulness.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:38 PM   #1242
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Are you serious?

If the kid was on top, and zimmermans nose was bloody and the back of his head was bloody and he was yelling "help, help" his life was in danger.

He defended his life. Move along now.
Again. The articles headline says "Martin attacked Zimmerman." Attacker in the sense that Zimmerman didn't give himself a bloody nose? Sure, no shit sherlock. However, it never says the witness saw Martin jump Zimmerman therefore how do we know who touched who first???

That headline is misleading.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:40 PM   #1243
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Woah, woah, woah. Gonna need pics here, please. So we can read her body language for truthfulness.
I've got to run the kinder to a birthday party so I don't have time to search it right now but a video of the intervier is linked in this topic back a few pages.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:45 PM   #1244
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Again. The articles headline says "Martin attacked Zimmerman." Attacker in the sense that Zimmerman didn't give himself a bloody nose? Sure, no shit sherlock. However, it never says the witness saw Martin jump Zimmerman therefore how do we know who touched who first???

That headline is misleading.
I'm going to go with the guy who was on top and showed no signs of receiving any blows for a thousand, alex.

Furthermore, it doesn't even matter who started it. If you are on the bottom of someone pummeling you and you are afraid for you life, imo you defend yourself.
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Old 03-24-2012, 01:49 PM   #1245
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A story on Zimmerman from the Boston Herald. Quite possibly a repost, but I'm not sifting through 1200+ posts to find out.....

http://bostonherald.com/news/nationa...th#articleFull
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