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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-24-2012, 08:03 PM   #1306
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I'm a fat hispanic and I was not offended nor did I feel that was racist.

How was that racist?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:03 PM   #1307
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All I know for sure is things are looking really bad for George, considering his past arrests.

And I know it's wiki I'm looking at here, but I'm not seeing where Stand Your Ground would help Zimmerman in this case....

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A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense to criminal charges.

Nearly every jurisdiction in the United States has adopted the Castle doctrine, stating that a person has no duty to retreat when their home is attacked. Some states go a step further, removing the duty of retreat from any location. "Stand Your Ground", "Line In The Sand" or "No Duty To Retreat" laws thus state that a person has no duty or other requirement to abandon a place in which he has a right to be, or to give up ground to an assailant. Under such laws, there is no duty to retreat from anywhere the defender may legally be.[1] Other restrictions may still exist; when in public, a person must be carrying the firearm in a legal manner, whether concealed or openly.

"Stand your ground" governs U.S. federal case law in which self-defense is asserted against a charge of criminal homicide. The Supreme Court ruled in Beard v. U.S. (1895) that a man who was "on his premises" when he came under attack and "...did not provoke the assault, and had at the time reasonable grounds to believe, and in good faith believed, that the deceased intended to take his life, or do him great bodily harm...was not obliged to retreat, nor to consider whether he could safely retreat, but was entitled to stand his ground."[2][3]

In a Minnesota case, State v. Gardner (1905), where a man was acquitted for killing another man who attempted to kill him with a rifle, Judge Jaggard stated:


The doctrine of "retreat to the wall" had its origin [in Medieval England] before the general introduction of guns. Justice demands that its application have due regard to the general use of and to the type of firearms. It would be good sense for the law to require, in many cases, an attempt to escape from a hand to hand encounter with fists, clubs and even knives as a justification for killing in self-defense; while it would be rank folly to require [an attempt to escape] when experienced persons, armed with repeating rifles, face each other in an open space, removed from shelter, with intent to kill or cause great bodily harm[4]

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. declared in Brown v. United States (256 U.S. 335, 343 (16 May 1921) a case that upheld the "no duty to retreat" maxim that "detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife".[5]
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:05 PM   #1308
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:05 PM   #1309
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I don't even see where this can be considered racial at all...

I think this was carried over from the initial reports when they reported it was a white guy who killed the kid.
He is white and hispanic.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:05 PM   #1310
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All I know for sure is things are looking really bad for George, considering his past arrests.

And I know it's wiki I'm looking at here, but I'm not seeing where Stand Your Ground would help Zimmerman in this case....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law


A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense to criminal charges.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:06 PM   #1311
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I'm a fat hispanic and I was not offended nor did I feel that was racist.

How was that racist?
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Heh, nice. My comment was tongue in cheek, hence the smiley, but I'm sure nobody noticed your quick response to save face.

Can people even run 20 mph? I know I can't.
There you go.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:06 PM   #1312
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A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense to criminal charges.
In regards to that person's home, yes?
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Of course, this is ok for white bread U.S. They don't feel "threatened".

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Old 03-24-2012, 08:08 PM   #1315
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In regards to that person's home, yes?
thats the castle doctrine, stand your ground is an extension of it
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:12 PM   #1316
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I think the fact that you felt the need to note that Zimmerman was hispanic is why it's seen as racist. As if hispanics cannot run as fast a black people.

BTW wasn't Martin supposedly trying to run away and Zimmerman caught him by chasing him down in his car?
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I think the fact that you felt the need to note that Zimmerman was hispanic is why it's seen as racist. As if hispanics cannot run as fast a black people.

BTW wasn't Martin supposedly trying to run away and Zimmerman caught him by chasing him down in his car?
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thats the castle doctrine, stand your ground is an extension of it
So Zimmerman thought that Martin was either breaking into HIS house, or about to break into the house of someone under his watch? I would think that is the only way this Stand Your Ground would have any hope of working for him. And since he was staying at a house in the neighborhood, no tools or weapons were found on Martin's person, and he was walking down the road/sidewalk, I'd say it's fair to assume this statute cannot help Zimmerman.
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So Zimmerman thought that Martin was either breaking into HIS house, or about to break into the house of someone under his watch? I would think that is the only way this Stand Your Ground would have any hope of working for him. And since he was staying at a house in the neighborhood, no tools or weapons were found on Martin's person, and he was walking down the road/sidewalk, I'd say it's fair to assume this statute cannot help Zimmerman.


A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense to criminal charges.
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