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Old 03-08-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-24-2012, 08:39 PM   #1351
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But how do you define that? Maybe Zimmerman is just a gigantic pussy. It sounds like the way the law is written "reasonably in fear for his life" is completely in the eye of the person doing the killing, which seems like a pretty poor way to word a law.
You have to word an all inclusive law like that. If my small ass is on top of you hitting you in the face I would have to do a lot more to bring up a reasonable fear for your life. However, if Phil was on top doing the same thing probably not so much.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:39 PM   #1352
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If he is taking a beating to the point he fears for his life....
And if he's just a pussy and overreacted?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:40 PM   #1353
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Provided that the cops actually arrest Zimmerman.
Well, naturally. It's a different level of the legal system.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:40 PM   #1354
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And if he's just a pussy and overreacted?
That's opinion and has nothing to do with the law
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:40 PM   #1355
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This is part of what I was touching on with my post from this morning. It's a little unnerving to think that fights can legitimately end in gunfire.
I know what you mean. This post by KCUnited sums it up.
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Either they don't know, don't show, or don't care about what's going on in The Retreat at Twin Lakes.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:41 PM   #1356
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That's opinion and has nothing to do with the law
Then I'm personally not satisfied with the way the law is written. Sounds to me like it's highly subjective and can easily be used as an excuse for cold-blooded murder.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:42 PM   #1357
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Then I'm personally not satisfied with the way the law is written. Sounds to me like it's highly subjective and can easily be used as an excuse for cold-blooded murder.

All laws are highly subjective, that's why OJ got away with murder and lawyers are rich
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:43 PM   #1358
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If it comes out that Zimmerman was the one who actually started the altercation by either laying his hands on the kid or by some other means all the race baiters are gonna be saying things like "See, I told you racist douches he was a murdered". When in fact everyone of the posters not immediately jumping to conclusions and claiming that Zimmerman should be hanging from a tree will gladly state he needs to go to jail if different evidence is put forth that shows he started any physical contact.

And even if that happens it will never be murder charges. It will be manslaughter.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:43 PM   #1359
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This is part of what I was touching on with my post from this morning. It's a little unnerving to think that fights can legitimately end in gunfire.
It's nothing new, nor should it be unnerving.

You think that a person shouldn't be allowed use a gun in self defense when someone's beating them to death?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:44 PM   #1360
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It's nothing new, nor should it be unnerving.

You think that a person shouldn't be allowed use a gun in self defense when someone's beating them to death?

excellent point
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It's nothing new, nor should it be unnerving.

You think that a person shouldn't be allowed use a gun in self defense when someone's beating them to death, just because they're enough of a fighter to beat the person to death with their bare hands?
(This is a genuine question, so don't take this as snide.)

I wonder how many people are killed by someone beating them to death with no weapons whatsoever.
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It's nothing new, nor should it be unnerving.

You think that a person shouldn't be allowed use a gun in self defense when someone's beating them to death?
How do you know when you're being beaten to death and when you just took a weak punch to the nose and just think you are?
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And by the way this has all come down, no matter what side of the fence you're on in this matter, I think it's safe to say Zimmerman would never have actually stopped the kid if he had not been armed. Calm yourself, this is no call to ban guns, here. But how exactly does a guy with a record of assault find a way to own a gun, AND find a job where he is asked to look over an affluent neighborhood? There was a disconnect in this process long before it ever got to this point.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:47 PM   #1364
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How do you know when you're being beaten to death and when you just took a weak punch to the nose and just think you are?
That's where the "reasonable person" standard usually comes in to play.
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(This is a genuine question, so don't take this as snide.)

I wonder how many people are killed by someone beating them to death with no weapons whatsoever.
I have no statistics but repeated blows to the head may shorten a mans life significantly down the road if he survives...

People don't fight now how they did years ago... When a man goes to your ass nowadays, they are trying to kill your ass
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