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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

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Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-24-2012, 07:50 PM   #1366
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(This is a genuine question, so don't take this as snide.)

I wonder how many people are killed by someone beating them to death with no weapons whatsoever.
I just did a quick search, so I can't verify the numbers, but here's a table with some numbers for you:

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004888.html
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:50 PM   #1367
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How do you know when you're being beaten to death and when you just took a weak punch to the nose and just think you are?
Don't lay your hands on another man and then no one has to worry about it either way
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:51 PM   #1368
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It's nothing new, nor should it be unnerving.

You think that a person shouldn't be allowed use a gun in self defense when someone's beating them to death?
Martin was one badass mother****er to pound a guy 100 pounds heavier than he was to the point where Zimmerman was seeing his life flash before his eyes.

Like I said earlier, this has the "feel" of Zimmerman getting pissed he was getting worked over by a kid, so he let his emotions get the best of him and he ended it with a gun. Hell, Martin may have actually SEEN the ****ing gun, and thought he HAD to beat Zimmerman unconcious to save his own life.
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:51 PM   #1369
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I have no statistics but repeated blows to the head may shorten a mans life significantly down the road if he survives...

People don't fight now how they did years ago... When a man goes to your ass nowadays, they are trying to kill your ass
I thought this was daily prison activity. But I am sure you would know all about that.
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I thought this was daily prison activity. But I am sure you would know all about that.
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Martin was one badass mother****er to pound a guy 100 pounds heavier than he was to the point where Zimmerman was seeing his life flash before his eyes.

Like I said earlier, this has the "feel" of Zimmerman getting pissed he was getting worked over by a kid, so he let his emotions get the best of him and he ended it with a gun. Hell, Martin may have actually SEEN the ****ing gun, and thought he HAD to beat Zimmerman unconcious to save his own life.
What if he was choking him?
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:53 PM   #1372
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Don't lay your hands on another man and then no one has to worry about it either way
We aren't living in the days of Billy the Kid, for ****s sake.
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:54 PM   #1373
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We aren't living in the days of Billy the Kid, for ****s sake.
So you think it was justified for this kid to beat this guy if that's what happened?
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:54 PM   #1374
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I agree with that in a general sense, but by that logic, everyone who commits assault should be tried with the death penalty as a possibility.
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:56 PM   #1375
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What if he was choking him?
There have been no reports of marks on Zimmerman's neck, just his bloody nose and grass stained clothes, so there is no reason to speculate that he was getting choked out.
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:56 PM   #1376
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I agree with that in a general sense, but by that logic, everyone who commits assault should be tried with the death penalty as a possibility.
No I would say anyone that commits assault should fully expect to get shot by either the victim or someone trying to help the victim.
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Martin was one badass mother****er to pound a guy 100 pounds heavier than he was to the point where Zimmerman was seeing his life flash before his eyes.

Like I said earlier, this has the "feel" of Zimmerman getting pissed he was getting worked over by a kid, so he let his emotions get the best of him and he ended it with a gun. Hell, Martin may have actually SEEN the ****ing gun, and thought he HAD to beat Zimmerman unconcious to save his own life.
I've wondered if this was possibly the case.

Zimmerman may be saved from prison time by the unintended consequences of the language of the law.
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So you think it was justified for this kid to beat this guy if that's what happened?
No. If Martin came at Zimmerman unprovoked and started kicking him around, he should have been arrested and charged with assault, just like how it happens to thousands of other people every year.
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No I would say anyone that commits assault should fully expect to get shot by either the victim or someone trying to help the victim.
Fair enough. Either way, that's a pretty drastic leap in the acceptable punishment for a crime.
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I agree with that in a general sense, but by that logic, everyone who commits assault should be tried with the death penalty as a possibility.
Well every man has the right to defend himself....
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