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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

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Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-24-2012, 07:58 PM   #1381
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No I would say anyone that commits assault should fully expect to get shot by either the victim or someone trying to help the victim.
DaFace has a point. If someone can fear for their life from being punched then fists are deadly weapons and a fight is attempted murder.
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Old 03-24-2012, 07:59 PM   #1382
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No. If Martin came at Zimmerman unprovoked and started kicking him around, he should have been arrested and charged with assault, just like how it happens to thousands of other people every year.

Define provoked , hurt his feelings? Ask him who he was? Tell him to get the F out of here? Is that reason to beat a man down?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:00 PM   #1383
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Well every man has the right to defend himself....
Maybe Zimmerman should have gotten a few punches in on the kid before capping him, maybe?

That's society these days - no patience for anything.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:03 PM   #1384
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We aren't living in the days of Billy the Kid, for ****s sake.
You think we're now living in the days of allowing someone to beat the shit out of you?
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Maybe Zimmerman should have gotten a few punches in on the kid before capping him, maybe?

That's society these days - no patience for anything.
Look man, I swear to God I would love for this kid to be alive, I wish if Zimmerman had to shoot, he could have put a slug in his thigh or ass cheek...
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:04 PM   #1386
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Fair enough. Either way, that's a pretty drastic leap in the acceptable punishment for a crime.
I don't know what leap you think it is. It's been that way since Man first passed laws.
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I don't know what leap you think it is. It's been that way since Man first passed laws.
Am I wrong that the law that justified this was passed in 2006? (Admittedly, I'm late to this party, and this is a pretty complex situation.)
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How do you know when you're being beaten to death and when you just took a weak punch to the nose and just think you are?
Thats what bothers me.

"fear for your life" is pretty subjective.

Essentially the bigger the pussy you are, the more justified you are in shooting someone.
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Thats what bothers me.

"fear for your life" is pretty subjective.

Essentially the bigger the pussy you are, the more justified you are in shooting someone.
Jsp summed up your question unintentionally quite nicely.
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Do you feel that having the shit beat out of you is justification for killing a person?
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Look man, I swear to God I would love for this kid to be alive, I wish if Zimmerman had to shoot, he could have put a slug in his thigh or ass cheek...
Not trying to paint you as some sympathizer here. I just can't bring myself to defend Zimmerman based on what I've learned of the story so far. And that includes this new witness to the party.
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Not trying to paint you as some sympathizer here. I just can't bring myself to defend Zimmerman based on what I've learned of the story so far. And that includes this new witness to the party.
Not defending him I am defending the law that we need
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"God made man, but Samuel Colt made them equal,"
If Martin had a gun, that might fit here.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:11 PM   #1395
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Am I wrong that the law that justified this was passed in 2006? (Admittedly, I'm late to this party, and this is a pretty complex situation.)
Now you're getting into jurisdictional variance, which isn't the same thing as the law being something novel in the world.
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