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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-24-2012, 08:11 PM   #1396
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If Martin had a gun, that might fit here.
Martin could have called the cops too ya know? He chose to take the law into his own hands
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:12 PM   #1397
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Jsp summed up your question unintentionally quite nicely.
JSP did nothing of the kind, and you're avoiding the question.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:13 PM   #1398
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And by the way this has all come down, no matter what side of the fence you're on in this matter, I think it's safe to say Zimmerman would never have actually stopped the kid if he had not been armed.
I don't think it is safe to say that at all.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:15 PM   #1399
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Do you feel that having the shit beat out of you is justification for killing a person?
The standard is that of a reasonable man, and the determination is left to the jury. I'm fine with the standard, although I'm concerned that the modern American juror is an idiot.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:16 PM   #1400
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JSP did nothing of the kind, and you're avoiding the question.
What are you wanting to hear? That nobody wants to be beaten to death? Yeah that's reasonable.

The reports have said that Zimmerman's nose was bloody and he had grass stains on his clothes. I don't know what kind of ass kickings you've taken in your life, but to me, that seems a pretty far way away from fearing for your life.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:17 PM   #1401
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I don't think it is safe to say that at all.
You don't think the gun at his side didn't give him the courage to confront this kid, even after being directed not to do so?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:19 PM   #1402
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What are you wanting to hear? That nobody wants to be beaten to death? Yeah that's reasonable.

The reports have said that Zimmerman's nose was bloody and he had grass stains on his clothes. I don't know what kind of ass kickings you've taken in your life, but to me, that seems a pretty far way away from fearing for your life.
No, I want you to tell me if you think a man has to allow another man to beat him to death rather than use a weapon at his disposal.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:20 PM   #1403
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You don't think the gun at his side didn't give him the courage to confront this kid, even after being directed not to do so?
It sure is possible, but I don't think it is at all "safe to say" that it did. He may have underestimated the kid and thought he could control the situation. Do you know for sure that the gun gave him the confidence allowing you to say that it is "safe to say" it did?

As to the being directed not to do so... he was directed not to do so by a glorified call center worker. They are not police and have absolutely zero authority to issue an order to not pursue.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:22 PM   #1404
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:23 PM   #1405
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As to the being directed not to do so... he was directed not to do so by a glorified call center worker. They are not police and have absolutely zero authority to issue an order to not pursue.
Do you believe these call center workers decide to tell callers whether to pursue or not on a case by case basis based on individual opinion?

Or do you think the police department has guided that type of response?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:24 PM   #1406
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No, I want you to tell me if you think a man has to allow another man to beat him to death rather than use a weapon at his disposal.
That's a stupid question, and you know it.

And as it applies to this story, are you saying you believe that Zimmerman really was in danger of being beaten to death?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:25 PM   #1407
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Do you believe these call center workers decide to tell callers whether to pursue or not on a case by case basis based on individual opinion?

Or do you think the police department has guided that type of response?

They are told to tell the callers to never pursue anything and basically sit behind the door until the cops can come save you...

**** that shit
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That's a stupid question, and you know it.

And as it applies to this story, are you saying you believe that Zimmerman really was in danger of being beaten to death?
Bowser, we were not there, how do you know what he was feeling?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:26 PM   #1409
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I read the girlfriends statement. First she came forward days after the attack. Which right there makes her story slightly fishy. Not saying it isn't true just fishy. Second, if what she states is true she was not on the phone for the entire time. She said she lost connection with him. Could he have told him during the time of the lost connection that he was neighborhood watch? Maybe, maybe not.
That is possible but not likely. As for her coming forward days later remember his parents did not know where he was for a couple of days also because the police did not contact his parents. They did not know he was talking to his girlfreind until they got the phone and since it wasn't national news at that time she did not know what happened to him. That is a weak argument looking at how things happened. But that is what people will say to try and discredit her story and protect the racist that kid a teenage kid.
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That's a stupid question, and you know it.

And as it applies to this story, are you saying you believe that Zimmerman really was in danger of being beaten to death?
It's not a stupid question at all, given your "We aren't living in the days of Billy the Kid, for ****s sake." comment.

As it applies to the story, we don't have the facts to answer the question yet, and we certainly don't have the facts to honestly guess as to whether or not Zimmerman reasonably believed that use of deadly force was necessary to protect himself.
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