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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-24-2012, 08:27 PM   #1411
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Do you believe these call center workers decide to tell callers whether to pursue or not on a case by case basis based on individual opinion?

Or do you think the police department has guided that type of response?
No, I believe they tell EVERYONE that regardless of the situation.

As stated earlier in the thread, I called 911 and was told not to pursue a drunk driver that hit my car. **** that. If they thought for a minute that I was going to let that person out of my sight so I would have to foot the bill for repair when the cops bumble****ed their way through their "investigtion", or possibly plow into an unsuspecting motorist... they are kidding themselves.

They tell people to back away to reduce their own liability as well as for the person's safety. Until they are given police like authority... them telling you to back away is only a suggestion.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:29 PM   #1412
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They are told to tell the callers to never pursue anything and basically sit behind the door until the cops can come save you...

**** that shit
Why are they told to say that?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:30 PM   #1413
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Why are they told to say that?
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They tell people to back away to reduce their own liability as well as for the person's safety. Until they are given police like authority... them telling you to back away is only a suggestion.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:30 PM   #1414
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Bowser, we were not there, how do you know what he was feeling?
You're right, we don't know.

But I'll say this - if Zimmerman had a cracked skull, broken ribs/bones, was found unconcious and barely responsive, I'd probably be more willing to believe his life really was in danger. As the facts sit right now, it looked like he panicked and took a kids life.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:30 PM   #1415
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Why are they told to say that?
Because they want to reduce their liability
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:32 PM   #1416
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It sure is possible, but I don't think it is at all "safe to say" that it did. He may have underestimated the kid and thought he could control the situation. Do you know for sure that the gun gave him the confidence allowing you to say that it is "safe to say" it did?

As to the being directed not to do so... he was directed not to do so by a glorified call center worker. They are not police and have absolutely zero authority to issue an order to not pursue.
Zimmerman had zero authority to pursue in the first place.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:32 PM   #1417
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You're right, we don't know.

But I'll say this - if Zimmerman had a cracked skull, broken ribs/bones, was found unconcious and barely responsive, I'd probably be more willing to believe his life really was in danger. As the facts sit right now, it looked like he panicked and took a kids life.
So does he have to suffer these massive injuries first before he can shoot?... what if the kid was beating him and telling him he was going to kill him... would he be justified then or should he wait?
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:32 PM   #1418
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It's not a stupid question at all, given your "We aren't living in the days of Billy the Kid, for ****s sake." comment.

As it applies to the story, we don't have the facts to answer the question yet, and we certainly don't have the facts to honestly guess as to whether or not Zimmerman reasonably believed that use of deadly force was necessary to protect himself.
This is correct. We do not have all the facts right now. But what IS known doesn't make Zimmerman look good, imo, especially given his history.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:34 PM   #1419
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Zimmerman had zero authority to pursue in the first place.
He had zero authority to arrest or detain, they were in a gated community, Unless he was threatening him, he can watch what he is doing legally.
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Zimmerman had zero authority to pursue in the first place.
That has no bearing on what he and I are talking about. We are talking about whether 911 has the right to issue a lawful order that must be obeyed.

The answer is no... they do not.
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Old 03-24-2012, 08:49 PM   #1421
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That's a stupid question, and you know it.

And as it applies to this story, are you saying you believe that Zimmerman really was in danger of being beaten to death?
Oh sure, you can turtle up and throw yourself at your assailant's mercy but you're making a rash assumption that your assailant has any mercy.
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Old 03-24-2012, 10:20 PM   #1424
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So you don't think this kid had any idea who this guy was huh?
Dude could have probably ran 15-20 mph faster than the fat Hispanic guy...


Cut the horse shit man
You do realize that a 4.3 40 is roughly 19 mph, so either you think that Trayvon was the fastest man to ever walk the earth, or, Zimmerman is the slowest human to ever walk the earth.
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You do realize that a 4.3 40 is roughly 19 mph, so either you think that Trayvon was the fastest man to ever walk the earth, or, Zimmerman is the slowest human to ever walk the earth.
Even if Zimmerman was a rock, 15 mph would be impressive.
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