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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-24-2012, 11:18 PM   #1426
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The kid looked like Keyshawn Johnson when he was 12 years old, lived in a gated community, and his father wears a suit everyday. It isn't like he was some thug punk who even looked like he could do any damage to anyone. This boy was really undersized and baby faced compared to most 17 yr old kids. He was just a scared little kid who called his girlfriend when some scary guy with no authority or uniform starts following him. When he told her about the guy following him she told him to run.

Thugs or anyone who would attack someone else don't usually call their girlfriend when they are scared, and their girlfriends who know their personality well don't tell them to run.

From how he sounded on the 9-11 calls, Zimmerman more than likely tackled the kid and pulled his gun on him. Kid was scared probably thought he was being mugged or attacked. Neighbors said they heard a little kid screaming and crying before he was shot. Normally, people that scream and cry for help aren't the ones doing the attacking.

One of them was scared and trying to get home, the other wasn't scared, had a gun, and wanted a confrontation even when told not to.

If Zimmerman wants to claim self defense, he should be doing it in front of a damn jury.
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Old 03-24-2012, 11:52 PM   #1427
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The kid looked like Keyshawn Johnson when he was 12 years old, lived in a gated community, and his father wears a suit everyday. It isn't like he was some thug punk who even looked like he could do any damage to anyone. This boy was really undersized and baby faced compared to most 17 yr old kids. He was just a scared little kid who called his girlfriend when some scary guy with no authority or uniform starts following him. When he told her about the guy following him she told him to run.

Thugs or anyone who would attack someone else don't usually call their girlfriend when they are scared, and their girlfriends who know their personality well don't tell them to run.

From how he sounded on the 9-11 calls, Zimmerman more than likely tackled the kid and pulled his gun on him. Kid was scared probably thought he was being mugged or attacked. Neighbors said they heard a little kid screaming and crying before he was shot. Normally, people that scream and cry for help aren't the ones doing the attacking.

One of them was scared and trying to get home, the other wasn't scared, had a gun, and wanted a confrontation even when told not to.

If Zimmerman wants to claim self defense, he should be doing it in front of a damn jury.
the kid did not live in that gated community. he was visiting his father.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...erman-03232012

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

I know... the thread is tl;dr. I get it, jumping to conclusions is a whole lotta fun
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:38 AM   #1428
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Bowser, we were not there, how do you know what he was feeling?
It is interesting that every one of your hypothetical questions in this thread are asked in a way to paint Martin as being somewhat at fault and Zimmerman as a victim.
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Old 03-25-2012, 01:36 AM   #1429
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No, I want you to tell me if you think a man has to allow another man to beat him to death rather than use a weapon at his disposal.
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Old 03-25-2012, 01:44 AM   #1430
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The kid looked like Keyshawn Johnson when he was 12 years old, lived in a gated community, and his father wears a suit everyday. It isn't like he was some thug punk who even looked like he could do any damage to anyone. This boy was really undersized and baby faced compared to most 17 yr old kids. He was just a scared little kid..
If Zimmerman wants to claim self defense, he should be doing it in front of a damn jury.
Lol, he is way bigger than Zimmerman. The harmless kid is 6'3" and broke Zimmerman s nose.
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Old 03-25-2012, 02:44 AM   #1431
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the kid did not live in that gated community. he was visiting his father.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...erman-03232012

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

I know... the thread is tl;dr. I get it, jumping to conclusions is a whole lotta fun
Again. Bogus Headline is Bogus. It's article itself never claims Martin initiated contact with Zimmerman whether verbal or physical. Yet somehow they can say "Martin attacked Zimmerman." Both the reporter and the editor are smoking in the press room.
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:53 AM   #1432
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You do realize that a 4.3 40 is roughly 19 mph, so either you think that Trayvon was the fastest man to ever walk the earth, or, Zimmerman is the slowest human to ever walk the earth.
I don't realize that exactly but it is interesting and I thank you for pointing out I was off somewhat but his exact 40 time is not the point I am trying to make...

The point I am trying to make is he could have gotten away from Zimmerman had he chosen to unless Zimmerman was driving through the back yards...
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Old 03-25-2012, 06:34 AM   #1433
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One of them was scared and trying to get home, the other wasn't scared, had a gun, and wanted a confrontation even when told not to.
This says it all to me.

I'm not at all surprised by the witness testimony claiming that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. It pretty much fits what I've felt all along. Martin made an effort to get away from Zimmerman until eventually being pushed to splinter where he felt forced to fight rather than flight. The fact that Martin took the upper hand when push comes to shove doesn't logically allow Zimmerman then to take it from shove to shoot.

The people claiming Zimmerman was within his rights to force it from shove to shoot conveniently ignore that it was his push that brought it to shove in the first place.
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Old 03-25-2012, 06:35 AM   #1434
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You do realize that a 4.3 40 is roughly 19 mph, so either you think that Trayvon was the fastest man to ever walk the earth, or, Zimmerman is the slowest human to ever walk the earth.
That sonuvabitch Zimmerman probably just cost the US a handful of gold medals in the 2015 summer Olympics.
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Old 03-25-2012, 08:38 AM   #1435
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Lol, he is way bigger than Zimmerman. The harmless kid is 6'3" and broke Zimmerman s nose.
So the fact that the kid is taller makes him "way bigger" than a guy who weighs 100 lbs. more than him? If height makes all the difference, Manute Bol would have been a championship boxer.
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This says it all to me.

I'm not at all surprised by the witness testimony claiming that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. It pretty much fits what I've felt all along. Martin made an effort to get away from Zimmerman until eventually being pushed to splinter where he felt forced to fight rather than flight. The fact that Martin took the upper hand when push comes to shove doesn't logically allow Zimmerman then to take it from shove to shoot.

The people claiming Zimmerman was within his rights to force it from shove to shoot conveniently ignore that it was his push that brought it to shove in the first place.
This...it is mind boggling the excuses being made for this wannabe. He was following him because he "looked suspicious." A cursory look at his history of playing law and order by the police might should have given them a perspective that maybe this guy instigated the deadly use of force instead of drug testing the corpse of a dead teenager.
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Old 03-25-2012, 10:49 AM   #1438
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Look man, I swear to God I would love for this kid to be alive, I wish if Zimmerman had to shoot, he could have put a slug in his thigh or ass cheek...
He had NO reason to harass him at all. Where is the evidence he had ANY probable cause to create a confrontation at all? He put himself in a place where he resorted to deadly force. Maybe he was getting his ass kicked, that wouldn't have been an issue had he not decided to play cop.

It is beyond reason to excuse this guys behavior as self defense when he put himself in that position.
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Shut the **** up and go back to the patriots board.

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Such hostility. tsk, tsk. I'm sorry that you feel such rage. It's probably best if you never carry a weapon of any kind.

Given just how worked up you got over a non-event, I'd even avoid pens and pencils if I were you.
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Define provoked , hurt his feelings? Ask him who he was? Tell him to get the F out of here? Is that reason to beat a man down?
Yes, he clearly had a brutal beat down. A bloody nose and some grass stains, while a kid has bullet in his chest. That is some twisted logic.
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