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Old 03-20-2012, 09:29 AM  
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Why Manning ruled out KC...

Apparently, teams were pre-qualified by Manning prior to any visits. When Condon was contacted by the 12 teams, he told them that the contract Manning was starting at was 5 for 90 and going from there.

Teams either had to say in or out at that point.

From there, Manning narrowed his selections.

I was told this from someone yesterday, and then today on Twitter, a great guy to follow, Andrew Brandt commented on it as well. I was leery about what I was told, but this guy confirmed it.

The Chiefs never got past the pre-qualified stage.

Seattle did, but when Manning narrowed his choices, the roster had no appeal.

Just thought I'd post this since we had a lot of discussions about why the Chiefs never got a face to face.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:54 AM   #61
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Manning, shockingly enough, chased the money.

For all the talk about how money didn't matter and championships did, in the end it was about the money.

I should've known - it's always about the money.
Surprising, to me....but that appears to be the case. Guess he'd fooled us about his motives.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:54 AM   #62
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:54 AM   #63
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Peyton Manning was not getting more from any team than he did the Denver Broncos. Get freaking real.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:54 AM   #64
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Where was this ownage on FB? I always like starting off my mornings by watching a moron get beat down.

Sorry to hijack, Frank, but this is comedy mother****ing GOLD.


BARRY: I'm just going to say this before the "Big News" hit's all the wires... Tom Condon is a Sellout. He is a Traitor. It Embarrasses me that this man is tied to Kansas City. He has insulted Kansas City to the CORE by brokering this deal with Peyton Manning and the Denver Broncos. Mr. Hunt needs to schedule a press conference JUST to explain to the fans what the plan is going to be moving forward. Because Peyton Manning has OWNED Kansas City his entire career, and it COMES TO A STOP RIGHT NOW.


Clay: That's just silly, Barry. Tom Condon doesn't work for the Chiefs. It's not his responsibility to make them a better team. He's been cutting deals for other players with AFC West teams for years so I don't know why you'd suddenly get all mad over this one. Ridiculous.


BARRY: Tom Condon showed absolutely no respect for Scott Pioli. ZERO. There was an agenda from the start, and Pioli was borderline insulted by COndons people. I have my reasons, and what is REALLY ridiculous, is that you haven't hung on your cross yet for all your trash talk of Scott Pioli. Nobody has held you accountable for all the "Silly" little art you have published. Now that is silliy.


BARRY: Another thing that I find ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS, is this notion that , and SOME of us have that Quinn is going to beat out Matt Cassel. I find it it shocking, and an absolute RIOT. Sure, Quinn was brought in to push Cassel, that much is clear. But some of you ACTUALLY think Cassel is not the starter. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FOLKS,... Cassel starts OPENING DAY. And Clay will complain, and continue his display of how big of a fan he really is............................


Clay: Manning didn't want to go to KC. This had nothing to do with respect. You're mad at Condon, but should be angry at Pioli for creating an environment Manning didn't want any part of.

Condon can't help it if his client doesn't want to play for the Chiefs. Your anger is misdirected.

As for my cross, nail me up if Pioli ever wins a playoff game in KC. Right now I feel pretty safe, because Manning is going to take dinosaur-sized dumps on Matt Cassel this year.


Clay: Of course Cassel is the starter. Quinn sucks. They'd never bring in someone who had a shot of beating him.


BARRY: I am not angry at Pioli, because Pioli doesn't make stupid business decisions. Manning will do NO SUCH THING, and you clearly will never see my point. This has nothing to do with Manning. Condon, and his people treated Scott Pioli with minimal to zero respect. We were first to the race, and put on hold for Denver. This goes MUCH deeper Clay, and you dont shit. You really dont have a ****ing clue what really happened.


Clay: Please tell me, then. You need to explain your opinion, because just saying this stuff doesn't make sense without an explanation.


BARRY: I did explain it.


BARRY: READ.


Clay: I don't see an explanation anywhere. How did Condon insult Pioli. Manning was never interested in Kansas City. Condon was just doing what his client wanted.


BARRY: Tom Condon and Scott Pioli have a professional relationship at best. This is public knowledge. Remember at the beginning of this stupid nonsense? When I said I didn;t think Pioli could pull a deal like this off? That he might not have "the moxy"? Exactly- Pioli never had a chance with Condon, or his people. They had an agenda. They followed it. Manning is guilty, and Condon is guilty. END of STORY.


BARRY: I dont even know why I am wasting my time explaining myself anyway. You are going to continue talking shit about him anyway. What's the point.


Clay: I still don't see an explanation, Barry. What did Condon do?


BARRY: Nevermind dude.


Clay: No, don't just disappear. I want to know what happened. Apparently you have insider knowledge?


BARRY: We all know what happened. SOME of us just choose to interpret it properly.


Clay: So you don't know anymore than the rest of us. You just want to blame Tom Condon for Peyton Manning not wanting to play for the Chiefs.


BARRY: Scott Pioli - WINNER. And when we win that PLAYOFF game this year? With Matt Cassel? I will be here. READY to pounce............


BARRY:I will never apologize for choosing NOT TO TALK SHiT about my players. NEVER. You ****ing hear me?


Clay: You talked shit about LJ.


BARRY: I choose not to talk shit about my team. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Some of us JUST ****ing DONT DO IT. YOU however, just cant stop talking shit about the CHIEFS..... You cant, you wont, and you will continue.... And LJ deserved what I said, and we all ****ing know it.


Clay: Now you know how I feel about Cassel. He deserves this for being paid like a Pro Bowler, and playing like a chump and wasting the careers of good players.


Clay: This came down to money, Barry. From a reliable source:

Apparently, teams were pre-qualified by Manning prior to any visits. When Condon was contacted by the 12 teams, he told them that the contract Manning was starting at was 5 for 90 and going from there.

Teams either had to say in or out at that point.

From there, Manning narrowed his selections.

The Chiefs never got past the pre-qualified stage.





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Old 03-20-2012, 09:56 AM   #65
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18-20 million per year is the going rate for franchise QB's. Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, and Eli all make that much. Manning definitely could have gotten more, guys like Peyton NEVER hit the open market, if it was about the money Peyton would have allowed a bidding war.
Well, kind of. They're all close to that, but $18m will make Manning (again) the highest paid QB in the NFL, though part of that is just salary cap manipulation.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:57 AM   #66
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:57 AM   #67
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No doubt money was a factor but I believe if it was ALL about money he would have been a Titan. I believe they would have beat any offer if given the chance.
If it was ALL about winning, he would have been a 49er. No need to explain this one.

I think he felt Denver was a good fit, a mix of money and a very good chance to win given the division.

I think he made a bad choice, now lets GET "EM!! GO CHIEFS!!!
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:58 AM   #68
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How does the pre-qualifying time frame jibe with Clark's public statement about pursuing him?
It doesn't. All he said is that they wanted to talk to him. Now they get to say they tried.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:58 AM   #69
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That is the price you pay for greatness...
At age 26, yes. At age 36, no.

I can tell you from experience, that once you hit age 35 in contact sports, injuries go from singular to plural pretty fast and the healing time is much longer.

A 3 year contract would've been pretty generous coming off a neck injury.
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No doubt money was a factor but I believe if it was ALL about money he would have been a Titan. I believe they would have beat any offer if given the chance.
If it was ALL about winning, he would have been a 49er. No need to explain this one.

I think he felt Denver was a good fit, a mix of money and a very good chance to win given the division.

I think he made a bad choice, now lets GET "EM!! GO CHIEFS!!!
I disagree. The Titans have better pieces in place than Denver.
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A friend of mine and a really good friend of Peyton's that plays for the Colts said two days after his release that there was "no way Peyton would ever come here." Not any info that sheds more light on the topic, but I took him at his word and wrote the the deal off right then. Peyton showed no interest in coming here by all accounts. Don't know that we'll ever really know why.
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:00 AM   #75
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He did what 98% of every player does. Follow a big pay check ... However, there were quite a few teams willing to pay the opening 90 MIL bid.

So Denver had to have something else besides money that was attracting.
There were a few things mentioned, all rumor at this point:

1) Him and Elway hit it off. Manning liked the idea of having a guy he could relate to in the Front Office.

2) Fox is not a big ego kind of Head Coach. He will absolutely do whatever he thinks he needs to do to make the team work. Like build an option Offense to make use of Tebow. Whatever it takes to get wins. Fox recognizes what made Manning successful in Indy and will do the same thing in Denver.

3) Xanders is extremely low key. As a GM he is more of a scout/cap/trade kind of guy. A numbers guy. He is passionate but shies away from the limelight.

4) Bowlen has stepped away from this team. Health issues and age have taken their toll on him and he really isn't up to being involved on a day to day basis.

5) Joe Ellis has been the shadow master of the Broncos for decades. His hand is in everything, he's the most powerful Bronco executive that no one has heard of.


So anyone in the organization that he would perceive as his boss appreciates his talent and will give him a free hand to do what he wants to do. They are all competent and low key. They will let Manning be The Man. Of course this isn't The Reason he signed, but it might have something to do with why he picked them among teams that would pay the check.
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