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Old 04-01-2012, 03:23 PM  
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Game of Thrones *Spoiler* Thread

There's been some recent confusion with the old spoiler thread, so I'm kicking off a new one for tonight's premiere. This is going to be the one for folks who've read all the books. So anything anybody might want to talk about is in bounds. Suffice to say, if you haven't read the books, you'll probably want to stay out of here until you do...

I'll bump the old spoiler-free thread shortly in case anybody's interested. For future reference the link to that one is here
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:47 PM   #1756
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Agreed. This season will be about Tyrion getting rode like a rented mule by Cersei and his eventual escape (the infamous episode9), Jon Snow fighting off Mance Rayder, and Dany learning the ruling isn't all it's cut out to be, not a subtle "you think you know but you really don't know" season long tease.

And Buck was being a bit overdramatic. He needs to go eat more pot brownies or something.
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Old 04-14-2014, 01:30 PM   #1757
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Great episode, I'm suprised they killed him off this early in the season.
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Old 04-14-2014, 01:41 PM   #1758
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I don't think she dropped the strangler in until immediately before Joff died. Margaery took his cup and put it down near Olanna at about that point IIRC.

It's amusing looking at the spoiler-free thread and Buck freaking out that somebody may have spoiled the potential "season long whodunit" for him. I have a feeling the show will handle it exactly like the books did: everything is there in plain sight, but they'll never actually make it obvious.

Now it's all about the chain of events with Tyrion, turning Jamie into an even more sympathetic character, turning Cersei into an even more vile harpie and ultimately killing Tywin (and Shae). I don't think there's any way the show turns it into a murder mystery, it's got to be a public demonization of the imp.
From the trailer, it looks like Margaery lights into Queen of Thorns next week, complaining that "She was going to be queen." Might reveal it right there.

Plus, the Tyrion tragedy angle (which started this week with him being forced to drive away the one he loved by hurting her) is played up if everyone but the folks in Westeros know he is innocent.

Side note on Tyrion/Shae: Is it possible they will NOT be driving her into the crucial confrontation in Tywin's chambers? That maybe Shae is the girl that got away (that Tyrion constantly asks about once exiled)?

They would have to do the trial without the brutal betrayal of Shae... (and in the TV series, they've given her much more time and made her much more sympathetic).
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Old 04-14-2014, 01:45 PM   #1759
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Remember, Bronn is a sellsword through and through, and if Tywin heard of Tyrion's attempt to sneak her out, he could have just paid more gold to Bronn to bring her to the Tower?
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Old 04-14-2014, 01:45 PM   #1760
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From the trailer, it looks like Margaery lights into Queen of Thorns next week, complaining that "She was going to be queen." Might reveal it right there.

Plus, the Tyrion tragedy angle (which started this week with him being forced to drive away the one he loved by hurting her) is played up if everyone but the folks in Westeros know he is innocent.

Side note on Tyrion/Shae: Is it possible they will NOT be driving her into the crucial confrontation in Tywin's chambers? That maybe Shae is the girl that got away (that Tyrion constantly asks about once exiled)?

They would have to do the trial without the brutal betrayal of Shae... (and in the TV series, they've given her much more time and made her much more sympathetic).
I wouldn't think so but maybe. He has talked about his past marriage before.
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:00 PM   #1761
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Side note on Tyrion/Shae: Is it possible they will NOT be driving her into the crucial confrontation in Tywin's chambers? That maybe Shae is the girl that got away (that Tyrion constantly asks about once exiled)?

They would have to do the trial without the brutal betrayal of Shae... (and in the TV series, they've given her much more time and made her much more sympathetic).
I don't think there's any chance of that.

Last week he yelled at her for calling him her "Giant of Lannister", which I thought was foreshadowing the eventual betrayal in court as is making Cersei (who bribes her into her confession in the book....) aware of her, and I think finding her in his father's bed is what they'll use to push him into finally killing Tywin in the shitter.

I thought the entire scene last night was set up so that his trying to save her would ultimately be what turns her against him.

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Old 04-14-2014, 02:17 PM   #1762
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I think they've got to use Shae in some way in order to make it realistic for Tyrion to kill Tywin. The only other possibility, other than how it plays out in the books, would be to make Tywin kill Shae in front of Tyrion or something like that... that might also drive Tyrion to kill him. Otherwise, I think it will play out like it does in the books (I really hope it does).
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:32 PM   #1763
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I think they've got to use Shae in some way in order to make it realistic for Tyrion to kill Tywin. The only other possibility, other than how it plays out in the books, would be to make Tywin kill Shae in front of Tyrion or something like that... that might also drive Tyrion to kill him. Otherwise, I think it will play out like it does in the books (I really hope it does).
They have to play it out as it did in the books. Not only to fuel the reason for Tyrion to kill Tywin but also to fuel the sparking feud between Cersei and Jamie. Remember, Jamie helps Tyrion escape.
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Old 04-14-2014, 02:58 PM   #1764
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It think we will hear more about Tyrion's wedding and Tysha as the season goes on to remind folks about it, so I hope that they don't change it up too much from the books by having Shae live and go missing to replace Tysha. That would suck, he needs to kill Shae and to pine for Tysha.
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Old 04-14-2014, 06:55 PM   #1765
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But if you read carefully, Oberyn might have dispatched of Tywin before Tyrion.
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Not a big fan of Jamie raping Cersei next to her dead son. I cringed a LOT in that scene.
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Old 04-21-2014, 03:16 AM   #1769
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Not a big fan of Jamie raping Cersei next to her dead son. I cringed a LOT in that scene.
Yeah, that scene felt all kinds of wrong. Jamie's pretty much a sympathetic character in the books by this point and doing the scene in that way for the TV series makes him look like an even bigger villain than Cersei.

"Oathkeeper" is next week's title, so I'm guessing the Jamie redemption tour gets right back on track.

The scene in the dungeon was one of the best of the series I thought.

Really a lot of good scenes tonight for relatively little happening.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:30 AM   #1770
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Yeah, that scene felt all kinds of wrong. Jamie's pretty much a sympathetic character in the books by this point and doing the scene in that way for the TV series makes him look like an even bigger villain than Cersei.

"Oathkeeper" is next week's title, so I'm guessing the Jamie redemption tour gets right back on track.

The scene in the dungeon was one of the best of the series I thought.

Really a lot of good scenes tonight for relatively little happening.
They have been trying to take a few characters in different directions then I remember at this point. These two are the most notable. I almost feel sorry for Cersei right now when I know I shouldn't... at all.
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