Game of Thrones *Spoiler* Thread

[keg in kc]

There's been some recent confusion with the old spoiler thread, so I'm kicking off a new one for tonight's premiere. This is going to be the one for folks who've read all the books. So anything anybody might want to talk about is in bounds. Suffice to say, if you haven't read the books, you'll probably want to stay out of here until you do...

I'll bump the old spoiler-free thread shortly in case anybody's interested. For future reference the link to that one is here

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

Assuming you mean you haven't read it and want me to explain more. If you are saying you didn't want to know it, stop reading now.




Tyrion is looking guilty so he demands trial by combat again. A new character, a Martell volunteers, but is killed by the Mountain.

I wonder how that happens now, since the Mountain was left behind at Harrenhall (there's no Vargo Hoat...). In the books I believe he returns to King's Landing with Tywin at that point. I wonder if they'll have the Hound kill the Red Viper instead.

Speaking of Vargo Hoat, I wonder how (or even if) they're going to have the Lannisters lose Harrenhall. And if he's not part of the show, how will Jamie lose his hand? That's too important an event in his character development not to happen.

On a different note, having Tywin be more of a sympathetic character now, with his back-and-forth with Arya, I'm not sure how much of an impact that will have to people's reaction to his betrayal with Shae and then Tyrion's killing him. That was one of my cheer moments in the book, but Tywin doesn't seem quite the bad guy in the show as he does in the books. Of course they can fix that once he's in King's Landing.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

Assuming you mean you haven't read it and want me to explain more. If you are saying you didn't want to know it, stop reading now.


Cliffnotes:
Tyrion is accused of Joffry's murder at his wedding feats to the Tyrell girl.
Tyrion is looking guilty so he demands trial by combat again. A new character, a Martell volunteers, but is killed by the Mountain.
Tyrion is broken out by Jaime and Varys
On the way out Tyrion learns that his first wife was no whore at all from Jaime
Tyrion makes Varys take him the secret way to the Hand's chambers
Tyrion finds Shae in Tywin's bed naked except for a necklace that has the hand's symbol
Tyrion strangles Shae
Tyrion finds Tywin on the shitter and questions him about his first wife at crossbow point.
Tywin calls her a whore one too many times and gets a bolt in his groin.

Ever feel like the world is a tuxedo and you are a brown pair of shoes?

[allen_kcCard]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Ever feel like the world is a tuxedo and you are a brown pair of shoes?

I guess I need a ****ing translator to tell me what the **** you mean then, I thougt you were joking around until I saw the neg rep.

I'm in the spoiler section talking about it on purpose. What is your problem with what I said?

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

I guess I need a ****ing translator to tell me what the **** you mean then, I thougt you were joking around until I saw the neg rep.

I'm in the spoiler section talking about it on purpose. What is your problem with what I said?

Well now....sorry bout that. Pointed it the wrong direction. Sending some balance your way.

[keg in kc]

In case anybody missed it:

Episode 19 - Preview

[Setsuna]

I haven't watched in about 2 weeks. I just don't wanna see Ygritte die or I might go jump off a bridge. I almost cried when I read that.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

I haven't watched in about 2 weeks. I just don't wanna see Ygritte die or I might go jump off a bridge. I almost cried when I read that.

You've got a while on that one. Comparatively, Book 2 is a pretty tame one. Book 3, on the other hand...


On a related note, I'm gonna guess that they pretend Tyrion's dead at the end of the next episode. They need a big surprising cliffhanger, and that seems like it'd do the trick. Couple that with the fact that he's not mentioned in the next episode's summary...

[allen_kcCard]

They also mentioned Podrick for the first time in my recollection in the series yesterday. So I am guessing that he will be with Tyrion on the field like in the book, and I agree, that the episode will likely be ending with Tyrion being quite apparently doomed.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by DaFace

You've got a while on that one. Comparatively, Book 2 is a pretty tame one. Book 3, on the other hand...


On a related note, I'm gonna guess that they pretend Tyrion's dead at the end of the next episode. They need a big surprising cliffhanger, and that seems like it'd do the trick. Couple that with the fact that he's not mentioned in the next episode's summary...

True dat. I've read the first four books. Too lazy to get the fifth, though I want so bad to read about Jon and all them.

[chagrin]

My favorite quote from last night - of course from my favorite living character not names tyrion - "your little boy prisoners made you a promise and you got mad when they broke it...are you the dumbest **** alive?"

, love that girl

[Huffmeister]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I wonder how that happens now, since the Mountain was left behind at Harrenhall (there's no Vargo Hoat...). In the books I believe he returns to King's Landing with Tywin at that point. I wonder if they'll have the Hound kill the Red Viper instead.

I really, really hope that's not the case. Because that would mean that The Hound would have had to have stuck around King's Landing after the Battle of the Blackwater. And it also means that we miss his travels with Arya. Not saying the show writers couldn't make it work, I would just be very disappointed.

Edit: Every time I submit a post in this thread, I immediately have to scroll to the top of the page and double-check that this is the *spoilers* thread!

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Huffmeister

I really, really hope that's not the case. Because that would mean that The Hound would have had to have stuck around King's Landing after the Battle of the Blackwater. And it also means that we miss his travels with Arya. Not saying the show writers couldn't make it work, I would just be very disappointed.

Edit: Every time I submit a post in this thread, I immediately have to scroll to the top of the page and double-check that this is the *spoilers* thread!

No way they cut that Arya and Hound connection out, right? That's how the Hound becomes an actual character as opposed to a gimmick.

[keg in kc]

War of the Kings - Trailer

Episode 19 - Battle Tease

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pants

No way they cut that Arya and Hound connection out, right? That's how the Hound becomes an actual character as opposed to a gimmick.

{checks spoiler rules...}

It would seem to give us a little insight into the book if he is left out of the traveling scenes.

If the Hound is alive in the books and the 'death' described by the brotherhood was merely symbolic/figurative, then he'll probably have a significant role in the last 2 books - so he'll need to be developed as a character.

If, OTOH, he's physically deceased, then his role in the story can probably be replaced somehow. It will take some machinations, to be sure, but it could be done without damaging the stories ability to move forward, IMO.

So we may get a glimpse into how the books go based on how they treat the Sandor in the show.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

{checks spoiler rules...}

It would seem to give us a little insight into the book if he is left out of the traveling scenes.

If the Hound is alive in the books and the 'death' described by the brotherhood was merely symbolic/figurative, then he'll probably have a significant role in the last 2 books - so he'll need to be developed as a character.

If, OTOH, he's physically deceased, then his role in the story can probably be replaced somehow. It will take some machinations, to be sure, but it could be done without damaging the stories ability to move forward, IMO.

So we may get a glimpse into how the books go based on how they treat the Sandor in the show.

True enough. I just really liked the insight into the whole Clegane brothers dynamic. But in the grand scheme of things, I can see how that's not very important at all when you have to cut and mold things into shape that fits the TV show's time and budgeting constraints (assuming he's really dead).