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Old 04-01-2012, 10:20 PM  
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Stop Eating Sugar

Added sugar in particular. Most fruit is okay.

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Old 04-04-2012, 12:03 AM   #316
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Are you familiar with GI?

That's what makes it different.

Don't tell me eating 1 oz of chicken is the same as eating 1 oz of sugary candy.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:08 AM   #317
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I'm sure that I was one of the biggest sugar abusers on CP. I've got to eliminate sweets now, it sucks and no not everyone has to, but I'm thinking I'm needing to. I'm in a war and Sugar is Charlie.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:09 AM   #318
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The China Study was an amazing report... the documentary Knives over Forks talks about it... and how various sections of China was prone to different types of cancer over a 30 year span... and they did a huge collaboration with Chinese and US doctors and researchers on the various effects of diet. It was fascinating.

But, since I'm losing weight and stuff... I shouldn't share this knowledge... because it makes me a douche for sharing this stuff... A big fat douche
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:12 AM   #319
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GI is irrelevant in normal functioning adults. Even if insulin is raised high at a certain point during the day, if calories remain low thereafter, so will insulin, as fat is oxidized for energy needs.

So, if you eat 1600 calories worth of candy and that's all you eat that day, it will provide the same amount of energy as 4 400 calorie meals of protein spaced out through the day, despite the candy skyrocketing insulin at one point in the day.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:14 AM   #320
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The China Study was an amazing report... the documentary Knives over Forks talks about it... and how various sections of China was prone to different types of cancer over a 30 year span... and they did a huge collaboration with Chinese and US doctors and researchers on the various effects of diet. It was fascinating.

But, since I'm losing weight and stuff... I shouldn't share this knowledge... because it makes me a douche for sharing this stuff... A big fat douche
considering I know someone who beat cancer by prayer, juice fasts and alternative medicine - I don't think that about this/you.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:17 AM   #321
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GI is irrelevant in normal functioning adults. Even if insulin is raised high at a certain point during the day, if calories remain low thereafter, so will insulin, as fat is oxidized for energy needs.

So, if you eat 1600 calories worth of candy and that's all you eat that day, it will provide the same amount of energy as 4 400 calorie meals of protein spaced out through the day, despite the candy skyrocketing insulin at one point in the day.
Everything I've read on insulin in the past 3 months disagrees with this statement.

I won't say that you're wrong, but based on my understanding this isn't true.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:21 AM   #322
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Well, why don't you tell me what you know about its functioning and I'll tell you where the misunderstanding is.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:24 AM   #323
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This paragraph sums it up quite nicely.

"Increases in insulin are most highly stimulated by the consumption of starches and sugars, especially the consumption of refined starches and sugars. Eating carbohydrates increases insulin which in turn encourages storage of energy as fat rather than making the food energy available to the body to burn. The more highly refined the carbohydrate, the more its consumption stimulates insulin levels. By causing fat storage instead of making energy available for immediate use of the body, refined carbohydrates result in hunger."

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Old 04-04-2012, 12:28 AM   #324
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This paragraph sums it up quite nicely.

"Increases in insulin are most highly stimulated by the consumption of starches and sugars, especially the consumption of refined starches and sugars. Eating carbohydrates increases insulin which in turn encourages storage of energy as fat rather than making the food energy available to the body to burn. The more highly refined the carbohydrate, the more its consumption stimulates insulin levels. By causing fat storage instead of making energy available for immediate use of the body, refined carbohydrates result in hunger."

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I could find a bunch of reports saying that carbs are needed by athletes, so a lot comes down to lifestyle.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:28 AM   #325
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Insulin is one of the most important aspects of your body that a Ketogenic diet focuses on. It is a hormone secreted by the pancreas that regulates the metabolism of fat and carbs, specifically in the blood. Its main job is to regulate the distribution of energy to the cells of the body from fat storage. Its other job is to regulate blood sugar by producing lipoproteins (or fat proteins) that act as a bailiff for your blood stream and imprison the fat cell into your body once the glucose has been converted to fat. As you eat sugar, the body must produce more insulin to keep up with ramped levels of sugar in the body and eventually your body begins to resist insulin. When you eat less carbs, less insulin is required to patrol your bloodstream and regulate your sugar. This means, simply, less fat storage as a result.

Here's something else. I don't know who wrote these and if they are actually right or not, but I've never read anything that said insulin is not involved in the storage of fat.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:30 AM   #326
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I could find a bunch of reports saying that carbs are needed by athletes, so a lot comes down to lifestyle.
Sure.

I'm debating whether eating 1600 calories of chicken is the same as eating 1600 calories of candy.

Not the same thing. You won't find an athlete whose diet consists of just candy because they'll lose muscle without protein and using just sugar as fuel is stupid.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:32 AM   #327
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And? That doesn't contradict anything I said. Yes, insulin will cause you to store carbs as fat in the event of an excess of blood sugar (although, it does a LOT more than just that... Insulin is an incredible hormone and we still don't know everything about it. It's a storage hormone and an action hormone. It's also incredibly important in muscle building).

But read what I said again. Yes, insulin will spike. It will store the energy as fat. But, when the calories remain low for the rest of the day, insulin remains low and the fat that got stored will be burned off to cover energy needs.

There are many studies with 24 hour calorimeters that show this to be true.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:36 AM   #328
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Insulin is one of the most important aspects of your body that a Ketogenic diet focuses on. It is a hormone secreted by the pancreas that regulates the metabolism of fat and carbs, specifically in the blood. Its main job is to regulate the distribution of energy to the cells of the body from fat storage. Its other job is to regulate blood sugar by producing lipoproteins (or fat proteins) that act as a bailiff for your blood stream and imprison the fat cell into your body once the glucose has been converted to fat. As you eat sugar, the body must produce more insulin to keep up with ramped levels of sugar in the body and eventually your body begins to resist insulin. When you eat less carbs, less insulin is required to patrol your bloodstream and regulate your sugar. This means, simply, less fat storage as a result.

Here's something else. I don't know who wrote these and if they are actually right or not, but I've never read anything that said insulin is not involved in the storage of fat.
No one ever said that it wasn't.

Also, insulin resistance is real, but there are many things that affect it. It's not just diet. Exercise plays a huge role. And you will never eliminate insulin from your body. Well, not unless you are dead.

But insulin spikes aren't necessarily a bad thing. Like I said, large amounts of protein can provide the same kinds of insulin spikes that sugars cause. Your body has to do something with the food you ingested, and insulin is the driver of the bus.
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:36 AM   #329
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Mother-in-law sent a bag of jelly beans to my boys for Easter. I took one for the team and ate most of the bag, so my kids wouldn't have to suffer the consequences of all that sugar. Dad of the year!
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