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Old 04-17-2012, 09:25 AM  
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11 CHIEFS

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Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

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Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College

The alltime leading tackler in both school and Atlantic Coast Conference history is the perfect player for Kansas City G.M. Scott Pioli: whistle-clean character, great instincts. Kuechly isn't overwhelmingly physical, though. I'd like Dontari Poe here if I were sure he could consistently deliver on the athletic promise he showed at the combine.

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Old 04-17-2012, 10:12 PM   #46
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I think the assumption that the ilbs job is to only take up blockers is a way over simplification. Teams do pass on first and second down and when they do the ilb must drop..
I agree 100%
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Old 04-17-2012, 10:49 PM   #47
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**** that. Kuechly is basically the only pick that I would be pissed about.
Me too. Even guys like King who are high on him admit that he's not physical. WTF??? We don't need a LB who isn't physical. Kuechly is a catcher, not a hitter. He leads the team/league in tackles because...? He played a ton of minutes and the rest of his defense sucked balls.

There are two players that I absolutely don't want KC to touch in the first round: Kuechly and Poe.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:32 PM   #48
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Do you guys see the Carolina Panthers surprising everybody by taking Kuechly instead of Fletcher Cox? They sucked up the middle last year but they WERE very young- two rookies Sione Fua and Terrell McClain. Plus this draft is exceptionally deep at defensive line.

It's not all that deep on Mike backers. Kuechly's an exceptionally talented one and would fill a need for Carolina.
I have the Seahawks taking Kuechly, one pick after ours. He's a good fit there. He's a 4-3 MLBer.
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Old 04-17-2012, 11:43 PM   #49
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For Kuechly to be worth the 11 pick, he should have had 20+ tackles for loss, 6+ sacks and 4+ forced fumbles.

The guy had no sacks and didn't force a single fumble in like 200 tackles.

To me, that's a red flag.

Let's compare his impact to a guy like Mercilus that had 16 sacks and forced 9 fumbles last year, for example.

Kuechly allows teams to dink and dunk your defense with always making the tackle.

Mercilus forces bad throws, puts opposing offenses in long yardage situations and takes the ball away.

It shouldn't take you long to decide which guy would impact your team more out of those two.
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:37 AM   #50
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That's incorrect. Kuechly is very effective in taking on blockers. He sheds blocks extremely well.

He's a better prospect than Derrick Johnson was at the same stage (no worry about the inability to self-motivate with Luke). He's more athletic/had better combine numbers than Pat Willis or Jerod Mayo.

He's a three down guy that can play sideline to sideline with incredible instincts.

You want a valid comparision? Think of London Fletcher combined with Brian Urlacher and you've got what Kuechly has the potential to be.

The guy is absolutely elite for the ILB/MLB position.

That being said, I don't think he's a "perfect" fit for the 34 defense that Crennel runs. However, if I was a 43, especially a Cover 2 43 team, I'd be looking at trying to acquire his services as much as possible. I don't see how Seattle passes on him and as such, I think he's the guy that the Chiefs will use to try to trade back down out of the #11 pick. Any 43 team with a question at the MLB spot is going to look hard at getting in front of Seattle to draft Kuechly. He is that good and merits a trade up if you need a MLB in a 43.
I agree with this post.

And while he's not a better "Belcher", he's such a better overall player, he would make our defense better overall.

He's one of my top 5 for Chiefs picks.
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:45 AM   #51
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I like Keuchly at 11. With Manning, Tivers, and Palmer in this division, those asshats are going to dink and dunk on us. I would like a player that will read a block before he has to gtet hiss ass beat by an ol pancaking him. Bootlegs and tollouts have killed the Chiefs. I berlieve Keuchley can solve alot of what the rest of the west will try and do. Old ass gunslinngers with nobody to throw to.


Although, if this league were not evolving into a passing league 2/3rds of the time I would say NO to Kuechly. I trust my eyes in what I see and yes he can cover and has instinct but he is NOT a thumper and will get overpowered most of the time tackling from behind after a 5-8yd gain.

Now with that being said, if he truly played in a shitty D system at BC and was prevented from being the thumper because the O-line was getting to the 2nd level most of the time which it seems very often, I guess if Pioli takes Keuchly then he would say BC had a shitty D and Kuechly CAN be a thumper as well.
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Old 04-18-2012, 04:08 AM   #52
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It's a passing league, but stopping the run is still important. San Fran took the #1 rush D all the way to the NFC title game last year. It's easier to be dominant against the run than the pass with today's rules. Stuff the run, force teams to pass on your terms, and get after the QB. That's what our defense needs to do. Maintaining gap responsibility is important for run defense, sure, but a lot of it is attitude as well. I don't see Kuechly bringing that type of badass attitude you need as a LB to help us be a dominant run defense.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:25 AM   #53
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No f'in way. Yet another person outside of this board with knowledge of football thinks a certain guard from Stanford is worth a Top 15 pick. He actually think he should be picked at #7. Anti-DeCastro posse unite and send nasty grams to Peter King and tell him how stupid he is because you just DO NOT under any circumstances take a guard that high. Only in unity can you get your message out to all those supposed "experts" who constantly see it otherwise.
There are very few media types that have the contacts in the league that Peter King has, but when it comes to making observations about talent and such on his own, he's freakin' moron.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:34 AM   #54
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For Kuechly to be worth the 11 pick, he should have had 20+ tackles for loss, 6+ sacks and 4+ forced fumbles.

The guy had no sacks and didn't force a single fumble in like 200 tackles.

To me, that's a red flag.

Let's compare his impact to a guy like Mercilus that had 16 sacks and forced 9 fumbles last year, for example.

Kuechly allows teams to dink and dunk your defense with always making the tackle.

Mercilus forces bad throws, puts opposing offenses in long yardage situations and takes the ball away.

It shouldn't take you long to decide which guy would impact your team more out of those two.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:55 PM   #55
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There are very few media types that have the contacts in the league that Peter King has, but when it comes to making observations about talent and such on his own, he's freakin' moron.
If he were the only one making that observation I would tend to agree with you, but he is not. There is something to this. Not saying who I do and don't want (as those that I really want will be long gone by the time we pick), but times are a changin' and many see that. It is only a dogmatic few that refuse to see that and they feel that they are draft geniuses and any who disagree are idiots.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:27 PM   #56
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If we are really wanting to pick an Ilb with our first pick, i dont see why it would be Kuechly over Hightower. You add another pick. I think Hightower is just as good and just as athletic if not more, he for sure plays faster. I dont think the pick will be an Ilb anyways. Look up Mychal Kendricks from Cal a 2nd round pick who ran a 4.5 dude's crazy athletic
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:34 PM   #57
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If we are really wanting to pick an Ilb with our first pick, i dont see why it would be Kuechly over Hightower. You add another pick. I think Hightower is just as good and just as athletic if not more, he for sure plays faster. I dont think the pick will be an Ilb anyways. Look up Mychal Kendricks from Cal a 2nd round pick who ran a 4.5 dude's crazy athletic
Gotta have a partner to dance with. We have no clue who is or isn't interested in trading.

What you make it sound like is that taking Kuechly at 11 is better than trading down and taking Hightower.

No one is making that arguement though.

Pretty sure anyone with a brain prefers a trade down over anything else (staying at 11 for anyone, or moving up) at this point.
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:40 PM   #58
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Gotta have a partner to dance with. We have no clue who is or isn't interested in trading.

What you make it sound like is that taking Kuechly at 11 is better than trading down and taking Hightower.

No one is making that arguement though.

Pretty sure anyone with a brain prefers a trade down over anything else (staying at 11 for anyone, or moving up) at this point.
didnt mean that at all. I was arguing against that.

And its very likely a player will fall to 11 and a team jumps on it (i hope). Im just saying if that option is there Kuechly would not be worth staying place
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Old 04-18-2012, 10:58 PM   #59
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didnt mean that at all. I was arguing against that.

And its very likely a player will fall to 11 and a team jumps on it (i hope). Im just saying if that option is there Kuechly would not be worth staying place
Yeah, I ****ed that up, i meant that it sounded like you think people actually prefer Kuechly over trading down.

I'd trade down in a heartbeat. We just can't bank on it.

If we're stuck though, Im not mad with Kuechly. In fact I like him better than most dudes, unless someone drops unexpectedly.
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No f'in way. Yet another person outside of this board with knowledge of football thinks a certain guard from Stanford is worth a Top 15 pick. He actually think he should be picked at #7. Anti-DeCastro posse unite and send nasty grams to Peter King and tell him how stupid he is because you just DO NOT under any circumstances take a guard that high. Only in unity can you get your message out to all those supposed "experts" who constantly see it otherwise.
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