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Old 04-28-2012, 01:58 PM  
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****OFFICIAL 2012 NBA PLAYOFFS THREAD****

Great sports weekend with the draft and now the NBA Playoffs starting today

First Round Matchups Today:

76ers vs Bulls
Knicks vs Heat
Magic vs Pacers
Mavs vs Thunder

Sunday:

Jazz vs Spurs
Celtics vs Hawks
Clippers vs Grizzlies
Nuggets vs Lakers

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Old 06-22-2012, 01:30 AM   #5221
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No objective observer would argue that LeBron hasn't been better than Kobe for the last 5-6 years. Hasn't been all that close either...Wade has been closer.
I agree with that. He's a beast.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:31 AM   #5222
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No, but Kobe isn't a good comparison for Nicklaus. MJ is.

Kobe would be like Watson.
The point is that you've had someone attain greatness for a longer period of time, and we're arguing whether LeBron's shorter span puts him above the longevity.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:32 AM   #5223
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You're funny. Get back to me when James does something by himself. Elite teams dont get swept in the Finals.
No, I'm just right and you're avoiding the obvious. Any team that wins 60+ games in the NBA is a great team and LeBron carried his team to that with no real help. Kobe couldn't manage anything close to that.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:33 AM   #5224
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No objective observer would argue that LeBron hasn't been better than Kobe for the last 5-6 years. Hasn't been all that close either...Wade has been closer.
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Now Wade has been better than Kobe... JFC.
JMO but I would draft James ahead of Kobe if I had to choose. He's just more dominant. Bigger, stronger, faster. He's a diesel. No disrespect to Kobe but James is a science experiment.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:33 AM   #5225
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No, I'm just right and you're avoiding the obvious. Any team that wins 60+ games in the NBA is elite and LeBron carried his team to that with no real help. Kobe couldn't manage anything close to that.
You are right in your own stupid opinion. No one elses.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:36 AM   #5226
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The point is that you've had someone attain greatness for a longer period of time, and we're arguing whether LeBron's shorter span puts him above the longevity.
I'm not saying LeBron's career is better than Kobe's. It's not...not yet, anyway. What I am saying is that LeBron is the superior player overall (and well on his way to passing many careers, not the least of which Kobe's) and that's getting more and more obvious.

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Old 06-22-2012, 01:42 AM   #5227
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You are right in your own stupid opinion. No one elses.
Yeah, there's no difference at all between bad teams that can't win much more than 30-40 games and elite teams that win over 60 and go to the NBA Finals. I guess the Raptors in your mind equate to the Thunder because they all ended up with no championship.
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:48 AM   #5228
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Yeah, there's no difference at all between bad teams that can't win much more than 30-40 games and elite teams that win over 60 and go to the NBA Finals. I guess the Raptors in your mind equate to the Thunder because they all ended up with no championship.
Whats funny is that you seem to think that when LeBron was on the Cavaliers by himself in the Eastern Conference = Kobe by himself in the Western Conference. Cleveland would have made the playoffs twice, before LeBrons final 2 seasons when they won 60+ games, and would have been the 5th seed at best, and that's taking their Eastern Conference schedule and pasting their record in the West. And when they won 60+ games they didn't even win the East. Hilarious you are.

Once again, get back to me when LeBron does something on his own.

BTW... The Lakers only missed the playoffs once after Shaq left.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:11 AM   #5229
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Whats funny is that you seem to think that when LeBron was on the Cavaliers by himself in the Eastern Conference = Kobe by himself in the Western Conference. Cleveland would have made the playoffs twice, before LeBrons final 2 seasons when they won 60+ games, and would have been the 5th seed at best, and that's taking their Eastern Conference schedule and pasting their record in the West. And when they won 60+ games they didn't even win the East. Hilarious you are.
Kobe and his team of scrubs wasn't anywhere near the quality of LeBron and his team of scrubs. Sorry, but there's no real way around this point. Anybody that watched those teams knows that.

LeBron is also a superior player to Kobe in every way (efficiency, scoring, passing, rebounding, defense) and well on his way to outpace what he did in his career (and it's not just Kobe, he's basically outpacing everybody that isn't Michael Jordan).That, of course, has nothing to do with team quality but it should be obvious to any objective observer at this point.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:14 AM   #5230
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Kobe and his team of scrubs wasn't anywhere near the quality of LeBron and his team of scrubs. Sorry, but there's no real way around this point. Anybody that watched those teams knows that.

LeBron is also a superior player to Kobe in every way (efficiency, scoring, passing, rebounding, defense) and well on his way to outpace what he did in his career (and it's not just Kobe, he's basically outpacing everybody that isn't Michael Jordan).That, of course, has nothing to do with team quality but it should be obvious to any objective observer at this point.
How does this relate to LeBron winning something by himself?
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:18 AM   #5232
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How does this relate to LeBron winning something by himself?
It doesn't. It relates to him and his team doing far better than Kobe with nothing.
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It doesn't. It relates to him and his team doing far better than Kobe with nothing.
In an inferior conference. Congrats.
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:21 AM   #5234
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In an inferior conference. Congrats.
Inferior conference or not, there's a massive difference between those teams and their results (not to mention Kobe and LeBron's respective performances in those seasons).
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Inferior conference or not, there's a massive difference between those teams and their results (not to mention Kobe and LeBron's respective performances in those seasons).
Agreed. Kobe scored more points than LeBron every year.
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