****OFFICIAL 2012 NBA PLAYOFFS THREAD****

[dirk digler]

Great sports weekend with the draft and now the NBA Playoffs starting today

First Round Matchups Today:

76ers vs Bulls
Knicks vs Heat
Magic vs Pacers
Mavs vs Thunder

Sunday:

Jazz vs Spurs
Celtics vs Hawks
Clippers vs Grizzlies
Nuggets vs Lakers

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by okcchief

I think you could argue he's only behind Phil. When Red won all of his titles the league was a lot smaller. Top 5 at worst.

Id put Pat ahead of him as well, If it were my list he would be at #4.

[okcchief]

I guess you could put Phil, Red and Riley ahead of him. I think he's gotta be at least 4.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Wade is a dirty player, but he isn't in the same ballpark as Artest. Wade's dirtiness takes place during the flow of the game; RonRon punches players/fans outside of the action.

The fan fight in the Detroit and the Harden elbow (which are really the main disciplinary incidents he's had in his career) make Artest look crazy and somebody who loses control easily, not a dirty player (in the Bruce Bowen way).

Wade has an entire career of doing the shit he's done tonight.

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Id put Pat ahead of him as well, If it were my list he would be at #4.

He wins number 5 this year I think it's a tough argument between those 3.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by okcchief

I guess you could put Phil, Red and Riley ahead of him. I think he's gotta be at least 4.

There are a lot of people in the discussion, including Wilkins and Nelson.

Pop has had solid players, but he really hasn't had the superstar players that Riley, Red, and Phil had.

[Pitt Gorilla]

BTW, Bron had the entire middle of the floor open there at the end of the game. All he had to do was take his man off the dribble and he WOULD have been fouled (at the least).

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The fan fight in the Detroit and the Harden elbow (which are really the main disciplinary incidents he's had in his career) make Artest look crazy and somebody who loses control easily, not a dirty player (in the Bruce Bowen way).

Wade has an entire career of doing the shit he's done tonight.

They are both dirty, but Wade cries a lot more. He thinks a whistle should be blown on every play.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The fan fight in the Detroit and the Harden elbow (which are really the main disciplinary incidents he's had in his career) make Artest look crazy and somebody who loses control easily, not a dirty player (in the Bruce Bowen way).

Wade has an entire career of doing the shit he's done tonight.

Aside from the game where he chucked a monitor and smashed a $100,000 camera, or the game where he elbowed Derek Anderson in the face, or the game where he elbowed Manu Ginobili in the face, or the game he hit J.J. Barea in the face, or the game where he flagrantly fouled Caron Butler and flipped off the Heat crowd, or the game he got into a fight with Glenn Robinson, or the game he was suspended for fouling Eric Snow, or his suspension for domestic violence, you're absolutely right.

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by okcchief

They are both dirty, but Wade cries a lot more. He thinks a whistle should be blown on every play.

It usually does.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by tk13

Aside from the game where he chucked a monitor and smashed a $100,000 camera, or the game where he elbowed Derek Anderson in the face, or the game where he elbowed Manu Ginobili in the face, or the game he hit J.J. Barea in the face, or the game where he flagrantly fouled Caron Butler and flipped off the Heat crowd, or the game he got into a fight with Glenn Robinson, or the game he was suspended for fouling Eric Snow, or his suspension for domestic violence, you're absolutely right.

Good job simply taking every disciplinary action that's ever been taken against him off of some list, regardless of whether you remember the events in question (and I most certainly do, having followed him for his entire career long before people started giving a damn after Detroit). Most of those weren't dirty plays (or even basketball plays at all). Some, like the Manu "elbow", shouldn't have even been a suspension (as many of the Spurs and Popovich admitted at the time, not that you could be expected to know that). Indeed, the legitimate suspensions are mostly characteristic of a person that loses control of himself easily (the chucked monitors/the fights/the hard fouls), not somebody who is dirty in the Bruce Bowen/Dwyane Wade/Kobe Bryant/Jeff Foster in-game mold defensively.

[-King-]

ESPN Stats & Info ‏ @ESPNStatsInfo

LeBron James is 10-17 (59%) from FT line in final minute (4th quarter or OT) of 1-possession games this year; rest of Heat are 13-15 (87%).

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[-King-]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Wade is a dirty player, but he isn't in the same ballpark as Artest. Wade's dirtiness takes place during the flow of the game; RonRon punches players/fans outside of the action.

I'm pretty sure if someone threw beer at Wade, he'd punch them too.

[okcchief]

I'm kind of concerned for the Artist formerly known as Ron Artest's safety. KC knows a little too much about him. It's kind of creepy.

[Predarat]

I would laugh my ass off if the heat get knocked out by the Pacers.

[MIAdragon]

Originally Posted by Predarat

I would laugh my ass off if the heat get knocked out by the Pacers.

Why? Lets not act like the Pacers are not a good team. They held the 5th best record in the NBA and the 3rd in East only 4 games behind the Heat.