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Old 05-01-2012, 11:14 PM  
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:33 PM   #151
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Personally, I'm a little worried that Romney supporters are going to take over the convention and turn this into some sort of Romney fest.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:40 PM   #152
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Personally, I'm a little worried that Romney supporters are going to take over the convention and turn this into some sort of Romney fest.
I wouldn't put anything past the RNC leadership. So far they have done everything to prevent any momentum. Maine, Wyoming, Alaska, the shenanigans on delegates and recently the RNC sending a letter to the Nevada refusing to seat them if Paul gets most of the delegates accusing the Paul campaign of "mischief." Even the Texas GOP redistricted him so he couldn't win his seat again in Congress. They FEAR Paul. If he were so insignificant, they wouldn't be afraid of a thing. They would be doing any of these things. And Donger wouldn't be stalking Paul supporters in the DC forum.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:41 PM   #153
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A prominent friend told me some weeks ago that he noticed an odd thing. In his state, several people who have been successful in getting themselves known as very probably Mitt Romney delegates for the Republican National Convention are also his supporters. And they are not just my friends’ supporters, they are also long time staunch Ron Paul supporters.

Why then would they, long time staunch Ron Paul supporters, align this year with Mitt Romney? He made calls and talked to friends in other states. All of them saw the same thing happening — long time Dr. Paul supporters working to become delegates to the convention pledging to support Mitt Romney and others.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/0...nuary-19-2012/
Seriously, why didn't Paul just run 3rd party from the beginning? Seems like he could have been at least as 'successful' as Perot. The Rs as a whole have clearly rejected him--you don't have to be a neocon to reject his foreign poicy--even libs think he is passive and naive. And the RNC certainly hasn't done him any favors. If he was serious about winning, he would have told the RNC to shove it and run on his own.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:43 PM   #154
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Personally, I'm a little worried that Romney supporters are going to take over the convention and turn this into some sort of Romney fest.
Considering that they will have the vast majority of delegates, I'd say that is a reasonable worry.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:43 PM   #155
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Oh yeah, about the Romney fest, they are going to make rules to force people to show support for Romney or do something to them like they did when McCain won the nomination. They will try to engineer it all to look like Republicans really, really support him. What a joke!
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:45 PM   #156
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Seriously, why didn't Paul just run 3rd party from the beginning?
Why don't you ask Paul? Or look it up since Paul has answered this many times before in the media and his supporters have as well.
Because Paul is a Republican has won a congressional seat as a Republican 12 times and he feels it's best to work from within the GOP due to the nature of 3P. He's also never committed to the idea of running on a 3P ticket if you listened to him. Too hard to get ballots in all the states etc.

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Seems like he could have been at least as 'successful' as Perot. The Rs as a whole have clearly rejected him--you don't have to be a neocon to reject his foreign poicy--even libs think he is passive and naive. And the RNC certainly hasn't done him any favors. If he was serious about winning, he would have told the RNC to shove it and run on his own.
Actually there are leftists and progressives that do support Paul but just for his FP. There was even a site put up called Progressives for Ron Paul. You really haven't paid much attention about these things here because they have been posted here.
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:52 PM   #157
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Eric Erickson @ Red State:

A prominent friend told me some weeks ago that he noticed an odd thing. In his state, several people who have been successful in getting themselves known as very probably Mitt Romney delegates for the Republican National Convention are also his supporters. And they are not just my friends’ supporters, they are also long time staunch Ron Paul supporters.

Why then would they, long time staunch Ron Paul supporters, align this year with Mitt Romney? He made calls and talked to friends in other states. All of them saw the same thing happening — long time Dr. Paul supporters working to become delegates to the convention pledging to support Mitt Romney and others.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/0...nuary-19-2012/
To your post here and #148 above, I know it's also because of the other states and that some Romney delegates are Paul supporters. I don't know why the RNC signaled out Nevada to refuse seating. Perhaps, they're getting worried and want to stifle what they can to prevent any surprises. They'll do something to fix it gauranteed. Can't wait to see what it is. I said this from the start.

I hope it becomes a mess. Heh! Heh!
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Old 05-03-2012, 11:58 PM   #158
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Why don't you ask Paul? Or look it up since Paul has answered this many times before in the media and his supporters have as well.
Because Paul is a Republican has won a congressional seat as a Republican 12 times and he feels it's best to work from within the GOP due to the nature of 3P. He's also never committed to the idea of running on a 3P ticket if you listened to him. Too hard to get ballots in all the states etc.

The GOP needs reform.
I;m just saying that if he was serious about winning, it seems clear that he would have seen it wasn't going to happen in the GOP. Don't tell me he put party loyalty above country. Does/did he want to be Pres or to reform the GOP? If Perot could mount a reasonable campaign, it would seem that Paul could have done as well or better.

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Actually there are leftists and progressives that do support Paul but just for his FP. There was even a site put up called Progressives for Ron Paul. You really haven't paid much attention about these things here because they have been posted here.
Yes, I'm sure there are some--so what? MOST people, even most people on the left, think he is too passive and naive on foreign poilcy.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:37 AM   #159
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I;m just saying that if he was serious about winning, it seems clear that he would have seen it wasn't going to happen in the GOP. Don't tell me he put party loyalty above country. Does/did he want to be Pres or to reform the GOP? If Perot could mount a reasonable campaign, it would seem that Paul could have done as well or better.



Yes, I'm sure there are some--so what? MOST people, even most people on the left, think he is too passive and naive on foreign poilcy.
Running 3rd party would not increase his chances. He would have 0 chance as a 3rd party candidate. This is about more than his run for presidency. The GOP has gone astray, and we are bringing it back to its conservative roots.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:58 AM   #160
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Running 3rd party would not increase his chances. He would have 0 chance as a 3rd party candidate. This is about more than his run for presidency. The GOP has gone astray, and we are bringing it back to its conservative roots.
We know he has zero chance running as an R. But Perot pulled 19% of the vote in 1992, and I'd think Paul could have done at least as well.
For most people, their best chance, even if small, if from within a major party. But for Paul, clearly his best chance would have been to leave.

"More than a run for the Presidency"? Either you're saying he was not a serious candidate in the first place or that party is more important than country.
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I;m just saying that if he was serious about winning, it seems clear that he would have seen it wasn't going to happen in the GOP. Don't tell me he put party loyalty above country.
You really say the most unsupportable things basing them on speculation, assumptions and conjecture. How the **** do you know he wasn't serious about winning? Why would he put together an organization, raise money and spend it for show? He ran for congress and was elected 12 times.

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You should ask him. Or go read up on him, why are you trying to get an education about him on a message board anyway?

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If Perot could mount a reasonable campaign, it would seem that Paul could have done as well or better.
Perot was not very anti-Establishment. Why do you think he dropped out?
The Establishment has in the past put out 3P to help elect a certain candidate.
You haven't a clue what is really going on today. Paul is true grassroots. Perot played about being that.

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Yes, I'm sure there are some--so what? MOST people, even most people on the left, think he is too passive and naive on foreign poilcy.
You are speaking in broad unspecific generalities with no basis. Polls show Americans are inclined toward his message more today because of all these wars 70-80%. It is this issue that attracts the youth vote.
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You really say the most unsupportable things basing them on speculation, assumptions and conjecture. How the **** do you know he wasn't serious about winning? Why would he put together an organization, raise money and spend it for show? He ran for congress and was elected 12 times.
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That he doesn't believe that he can win.
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