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Old 05-01-2012, 11:14 PM  
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:36 AM   #166
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Doesn't what you think either. That's just his fall back position. Look at the date too. You also don't understand Paul, nor that this is a movement. Nor that he was accused of that in 2008 and that if he was to be backed again this time he'd have to do it to win. You lack context to be able to evaluate a small cut of footage. But then you do that.

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I found this and re-uploaded it because I had heard it mis-quoted, people have said that it means he's not running to win or that he doesn't expect to win, or doesn't want the job. Pretty obvious to me that he's just being honest, his quote of "that's the risk I take" is the same thing he said about the first time he was elected to congress, he didn't expect to win. He has said it's just like high school when he was running track, ya just run to win and don't look back, see what happens.
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:46 AM   #167
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That he doesn't believe that he can win.
There is a difference between dreaming about being in the white house at night and being able to win. The other candidates want to be president for selfish reasons. Ron Paul wants to be president to restore liberty. Ron Paul would be happy if there was someone as president that shared his views, whether it was him or not. Mitt Romney will only be happy if he himself is president.
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:48 AM   #168
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There is a difference between dreaming about being in the white house at night and being able to win. The other candidates want to be president for selfish reasons. Ron Paul wants to be president to restore liberty. Ron Paul would be happy if there was someone as president that shared his views, whether it was him or not. Mitt Romney will only be happy if he himself is president.
Dreaming wasn't mentioned in that clip. Ron Paul doesn't see himself in the Oval Office because he knows that he can't win.
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:49 AM   #169
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There is a difference between dreaming about being in the white house at night and being able to win. The other candidates want to be president for selfish reasons. Ron Paul wants to be president to restore liberty. Ron Paul would be happy if there was someone as president that shared his views, whether it was him or not. Mitt Romney will only be happy if he himself is president.
The best person for the job is someone who doesn't want power. Paul had to be very persuaded to run in 2008. This is the same context that Washington ran under. Too bad Hamilton got near him.

Paul is not going along with this to run people's lives or the world...and that is his appeal.
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:51 AM   #170
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Dreaming wasn't mentioned in that clip. Ron Paul doesn't see himself in the Oval Office because he knows that he can't win.
You have absolutely no idea what he thinks. It's your interpretation. Knowing it's a long-shot would be more accurate. He thought the same thing when he ran for congress.

But then, someone who looks at an election like a horse race shouldn't even be countered for long.
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:54 AM   #171
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You have absolutely no idea what he thinks. It's your interpretation. Knowing it's a long-shot would be more accurate. He thought the same thing when he ran for congress.

But then, someone who looks at an election like a horse race shouldn't even be countered for long.
No, he's aware of the odds and he knows that he stands no chance.
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:55 AM   #172
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National election polls don't back you up Donger.
Primary polls for the nomination do and the two-party system makes it hard to operate outside of them.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:07 PM   #173
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You really say the most unsupportable things basing them on speculation, assumptions and conjecture. How the **** do you know he wasn't serious about winning? Why would he put together an organization, raise money and spend it for show? He ran for congress and was elected 12 times..
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why are you trying to get an education about him on a message board anyway?
I have my education about him, but I thought a true Paul expert might have some insight or opinion why he wouldn't go 3rd party when it seems that would be his most likely route to having a chance to win. Freaking calm down.

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You are speaking in broad unspecific generalities with no basis. Polls show Americans are inclined toward his message more today because of all these wars 70-80%.
Yeah, I am speaking in generalities since that is about the only practical way to reference the opinions of millions of people at a time.

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It is this issue that attracts the youth vote.
All the youth? Every single one? That's outrageous! Are you clueless? Or, are you speaking in generalities?

The main theme I keep hearing from you and the other Paul devotees is that Paul is awesome and just SO MANY people agree with him, and its just that Fox doesn't like him and the RNC is afraid of him, and whaa whaa whaa...

Geez---I thought it was the libs that are supposed to always blame everyone else. Paul has a small but vocal following. If he had the huge support you fantasize about, he be higher in the polls.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:08 PM   #174
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I think they over-praise me at times," Paul said. "I keep saying maybe they have been over starved because I don't see my qualifications quite the way they do. They over-praise. It makes me uncomfortable, but obviously it pleases me.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:14 PM   #175
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I have my education about him, but I thought a true Paul expert might have some insight or opinion why he wouldn't go 3rd party when it seems that would be his most likely route to having a chance to win. Freaking calm down.
I am not an expert and certainly not one that can claim to know Paul's innermost thoughts or doubts.

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Yeah, I am speaking in generalities since that is about the only practical way to reference the opinions of millions of people at a time.
Bullshit. It means you can claim anything you want with no validity. You don't speak for millions of people. That's what collectivists do.


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All the youth? Every single one? That's outrageous! Are you clueless? Or, are you speaking in generalities?
No that's a subgroup over your claims...so it's more narrow. Furthermore, I've posted before that exit poll numbers clearly show that is the bulk of Paul's support. Just look at the faces of those huge crowds where he speaks. You can find that if you want to check too. It's been posted here numerous times. It's backed up.

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The main theme I keep hearing from you and the other Paul devotees is that Paul is awesome and just SO MANY people agree with him, and its just that Fox doesn't like him and the RNC is afraid of him,
More sweeping generalities. There are a lot more people that like Paul than those here claim to think. Exits polls even from 2008 showed that many more, even in the older crowd, liked him but didn't think he was "electable." This is what the claim was by someone earlier that you seized upon to make your case but ignored what was actually posted. There are certain positions that some people hate about him but it's usually not an across-the-board sentiment. These were all specifically discussed over the past four years with breakdowns. You just weren't here.

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Geez---I thought it was the libs that are supposed to always blame everyone else. Paul has a small but vocal following. If he had the huge support you fantasize about, he be higher in the polls.
National polls have consistently shown that he has a better odds of beating Obama than all the other GOP candidates. Romney has recently tied it with him.

Now, go back and use the search to see the earlier back ups to most of this post.


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and whaa whaa whaa...
No wonder your rep panel is read. You're nearly all emotion and generalities that can't be backed.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:19 PM   #176
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The other candidates want to be president for selfish reasons. Ron Paul wants to be president to restore liberty. Ron Paul would be happy if there was someone as president that shared his views, whether it was him or not.
Ron Paul once gave both his kidneys to a little girl. Ron Paul really does like black people, he just doesn't think anyone should have to let them in their restuarant. Ron Paul is the smartest, cutest, bestest guy ever.
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Good Lord, are there still people who think Ron Paul would have a chance to win in the general election (even against a weak candidate like Obama)?
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:29 PM   #178
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No wonder your rep panel is read. You're nearly all emotion and generalities that can't be backed.
I guess that's "red". Sure its red--because hypersensitive sissies like you (literally, you) give me negs, over and over again, for having the nerve to point out that despite your claims that Saint Ron Paul is the most popular guy in the country, he's a bottom-feeder in the polls.
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I guess that's "red". Sure its red--because hypersensitive sissies like you (literally, you) give me negs, over and over again, for having the nerve to point out that despite your claims that Saint Ron Paul is the most popular guy in the country, he's a bottom-feeder in the polls.
I've given you one per my rep history panel. I've also given one pos rep when you actually say something that is true. Others or just someone else has given you a helluva LOT more. So you're a LIAR too! And you're using another sweeping generality to worsen what actually happened. That's the typical behavior I expect of a communist.

Other than that you, never really say anything, but you ignore or twist what was actually written—often. Like here, because I've never said he was the most popular guy in the country. That's another one of your exaggerations and twisting of words when specifics were given to you. Plus, you troll inside the Republican party-related threads.
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