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Old 05-01-2012, 11:14 PM  
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:22 AM   #211
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The map is not very accurate. Mitt Romney won the most delegates in Colorado and North Dakota. He has won most of the delegates from MO so far. Not a single delegate has been won in WA state either.

Additionally, people have misinterpreted Rule 38. The Unit rule means that a state cannot bind all of its delegates to a single candidate. That is why states have unbound super delegates. That is so they can bind their delegates.

What can be done, and has been done in the past, is that bound delegates can abstain. The last time delegates did this, a motion was made to replace any delegate abstaining with their alternate. It would take a majority vote to do so, and if Ron Paul had enough supporters there to prevent something like that from happening, all of his delegates bound to Mitt Romney could abstain from voting. The problem is that is very unlikely. He will probably have 500-600 delegates, which won't be enough.
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Old 05-07-2012, 07:09 AM   #212
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The Republican Civil War is great for the party. Unfortunately, what it signaled is that a douche bag candidate like Santorum can make it through half the primary in one piece, especially when you have Super PACs that keep a crap candidate like him in business. At least that means that in 2 straight elections, the evangelical guy lost.

I'm not a big fan of the tea party because I think the views lean too extreme for my taste, but they're doing a great job of shifting the conversation toward fiscal conservatism (before Sarah Palin, by the way, hijacked the tea party and turned it into her own nutcase platform).

While I don't think this signals that an extreme fiscal conservative can ever win, I think it's great for an election like this. Mitt Romney is a moderate, and I think any shrewd businessperson has to be. Why do you think Michael Bloomberg is moderate. Because if you're CEO of a successful business, you're an absolute idiot if you're so stubborn to think there is only one answer to a question without listening to alternatives. Because of that, I still contend, Romney has the leadership to know how to work through people. While extremist guys like Obama and, yes, Ron Paul will sit on a budget for 2 years and claim they are making progress because they are vetoing any hint of compromise, Romney will find a way to push bills through and actually get things done. Even if that means appeasing the democrats on a few runs. So what the tea party does is steer Romney toward making promises of fiscal conservatism so that when Romney fights to get things done, he does it with a conservative fiscal agenda in mind. THat's a good thing.
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:26 AM   #213
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The Republican Civil War is great for the party. Unfortunately, what it signaled is that a douche bag candidate like Santorum can make it through half the primary in one piece, especially when you have Super PACs that keep a crap candidate like him in business. At least that means that in 2 straight elections, the evangelical guy lost.

I'm not a big fan of the tea party because I think the views lean too extreme for my taste, but they're doing a great job of shifting the conversation toward fiscal conservatism (before Sarah Palin, by the way, hijacked the tea party and turned it into her own nutcase platform).

While I don't think this signals that an extreme fiscal conservative can ever win, I think it's great for an election like this. Mitt Romney is a moderate, and I think any shrewd businessperson has to be. Why do you think Michael Bloomberg is moderate. Because if you're CEO of a successful business, you're an absolute idiot if you're so stubborn to think there is only one answer to a question without listening to alternatives. Because of that, I still contend, Romney has the leadership to know how to work through people. While extremist guys like Obama and, yes, Ron Paul will sit on a budget for 2 years and claim they are making progress because they are vetoing any hint of compromise, Romney will find a way to push bills through and actually get things done. Even if that means appeasing the democrats on a few runs. So what the tea party does is steer Romney toward making promises of fiscal conservatism so that when Romney fights to get things done, he does it with a conservative fiscal agenda in mind. THat's a good thing.
The evangelical guy has lost in every Republican primary (at least during our lifetimes) so that part is nothing new.
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:34 AM   #214
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The Republican Civil War is great for the party.
I agree. Besides, Paul supporters are taking over some key positions.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:03 PM   #215
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I agree. Besides, Paul supporters are taking over some key positions.
You must be looking forward to some payback--rigging the system against Santorum in 2016.
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Old 05-07-2012, 02:42 PM   #216
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You must be looking forward to some payback--rigging the system against Santorum in 2016.
This isn't about me. Now add something intelligent.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:37 AM   #217
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The evangelical guy has lost in every Republican primary (at least during our lifetimes) so that part is nothing new.
W. was largely favored by Evangelicals.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:07 AM   #218
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Republican Executive Committee Member Calls for Resignation of RNC Chairman Reince Priebus

Washington, DC, May 07, 2012 --(PR.com)-- Jeffrey Bales, a Member-at-Large of the Pima County GOP Executive Committee (Tucson, Arizona), says:

“Due to violation of the RNC's Rule #11, I call for Chairman Reince Priebus to resign immediately. It is un-American and beneath the standards established by the Republican Party to violate this rule. It is unethical to support a single Republican Presidential candidate (Mitt Romney) while other Republican candidates remain in the race.

"Further, I call upon Mitt Romney to denounce this behavior and ask that the RNC repair the breach of trust by including the other remaining Republican Presidential candidate, Dr. Ron Paul, in any dispensation of funds, effort and labor. It would benefit all Americans if Mitt Romney would further clarify the fact that 2 candidates remain if he challenged Dr. Ron Paul to a debate."

Rule #11 states:
"Rule No. 11 Candidate Support
(a) The Republican National Committee shall not, without the prior written and filed approval of all members of the Republican National Committee from the state involved, contribute money or in-kind aid to any candidate for any public or party office except the nominee of the Republican Party or a candidate who is unopposed in the Republican primary after the filing deadline for that office. In those states where state law establishes a nonpartisan primary in which Republican candidates could participate, but in which the general election may not include a Republican candidate, the candidate endorsed by a convention held under the authority of the state Republican Party shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the Republican nominee.

(b) No state Republican Party rule or state law shall be observed that allows persons who have participated or are participating in the selection of any nominee of a party other than the Republican Party, including, but not limited to, through the use of a multiparty primary or similar type ballot, to participate in the selection of a nominee of the Republican Party for that general election. No person nominated in violation of this rule shall be recognized by the Republican National Committee as the nominee of the Republican Party from that state."
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Old 05-08-2012, 06:17 AM   #219
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W. was largely favored by Evangelicals.
He beat both Gary Bauer and Alan Keyes (a Catholic, like Santorum, but more overtly religious than GWB). To call GWB "the evangelical candidate" is ridiculous, IMO. Gary Bauer was that guy.
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Old 05-09-2012, 12:05 PM   #222
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We should drop an A-Bomb on those Germans for boming Pearl Harbor!
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Joke maybe?

That's exactly the joke that he's referring to. He's saying Ron Paul isn't going to get nominated, but his faction is going go out with the Animal House blaze of glory (ie. "a really stupid and futile gesture needs to be done on somebody's part").
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Old 05-11-2012, 03:50 PM   #224
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Good article in the New American on the Republican Civil War...

Turns out that the Tea Party is the moderates of the party, if you can believe it:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...-establishment
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Good article in the New American on the Republican Civil War...

Turns out that the Tea Party is the moderates of the party, if you can believe it:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...-establishment
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Ron Paul’s presidential campaign — always a longshot — by itself would not have created a fundamental challenge in the size of the federal government without a commensurate change in the make-up and nature of Congress. His campaign may meet a deeper success during the congressional elections than he sought during the presidential primaries by inspiring a wave of candidates dedicated to smaller government and less foreign interventionism.

The result will be a Congress in January of 2013 that will still contain a majority of vote-buying socialists and crony-capitalists, but one that will include a larger Constitution-oriented caucus of Congressmen in the House and Senate.
"It is not a field of a few acres of ground, but a cause, that we are defending, and whether we defeat the enemy in one battle, or by degrees, the consequences will be the same.” – THOMAS PAINE, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 12, 1777
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