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Old 05-02-2012, 12:05 PM  
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Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

North County Times reporting Seau "found dead by a housekeeper of a gunshot wound to the chest."

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Junior Seau Dead Cops Investigating Shooting

Cops are currently at Seau's home just outside San Diego. Seau was 43-years-old ... and leaves behind 3 kids and an ex-wife.

Seau was a beast in the NFL -- skyrocketing to fame thanks to his explosive play with the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. The USC standout was selected in the first round of the NFL draft in 1990 and played in the league for 20 years.

Seau was involved in a car accident back in 2010 when he drove his SUV off a cliff in Carlsbad, CA hours after he was arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend. Seau later said he was not trying to kill himself ... insisting he had fallen asleep at the wheel.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/02/junior-seau-dead/

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Old 05-02-2012, 01:28 PM   #166
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Give it your best shot.

But don't be surprised one way or the other. At best it will be a coin-flip scenario.
Sounds like you are rooting for the league to lose?
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:30 PM   #167
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And the "victims" in the case heartily volunteered, enthusiastically played the game and were handsomely rewarded for their choice.
Just like the woman that put a cup of coffee between her legs and suffered 2nd degree burns for it.

Sure, she put hot coffee where she shouldn't have, but McDonalds knew that the coffee was hot enough to cause burns leading to skin-grafs and did nothing about it.

A so called 'acceptance' of the risks here isn't going to get the NFL off the hook - it never gets the deepest pockets off the hook.

Juries do what they do. They'll see the faceless conglomerate of super-wealthy individuals that had concussion studies done and ignored and they'll compare those to the individual plaintiffs, be they players or the families of players that died.

Don't coach - bet. What you think the jury should do is irrelevant. What you claim you would do where you a 1-man jury is equally irrelevant (afterall, both you and veilpass would get your asses bounced from the pool). History tells us what the jury will do.

Ignore it at your own peril.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:31 PM   #168
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There is a complete and utter lack of knowledge about mental illness by some on this board. Sure their are people who are not mentally ill and just see suicide as an easy way out but most are dealing with inner demons that most of us cannot comprehend. Saying it is just an easy way out is just spouting ignorance about another person's situation. The stigma of being mentally ill, that is spouted by many on this board, is what can also cause many to not want to seek the help that is available to them.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:31 PM   #169
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Is that the standard, that the player needs to have a doctor-level understanding?
IMHO there is a standard of implied consent that has been met. There should be a formal consent document drawn up that all existing and future players must sign or they can't play.
If any actual damages exist from the past the league should pay the expenses associated with them.
Knowing long-term consequences isn't a doctor-level understanding. I just know that there will have to be some fully informed consent standard in this employee relationship.

There has to be mandatory clinics all players attend during training camp. The club basically needs to tell them, "By the time you're 40, there's a 50/50 chance you're going to be mentally ****ed up if you play for longer than 2 years."
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:31 PM   #170
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Sounds like you are rooting for the league to lose?
Read it however you want. I love the NFL and would hate to see anything happen to it.

But I've worked with plenty of juries.

I'm not 'rooting' either way, I'm simply saying I know which side I'd be betting on once the thing went to the scorecards.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:32 PM   #171
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Just like the woman that put a cup of coffee between her legs and suffered 2nd degree burns for it.

Sure, she put hot coffee where she shouldn't have, but McDonalds knew that the coffee was hot enough to cause burns leading to skin-grafs and did nothing about it.

A so called 'acceptance' of the risks here isn't going to get the NFL off the hook - it never gets the deepest pockets off the hook.

Juries do what they do. They'll see the faceless conglomerate of super-wealthy individuals that had concussion studies done and ignored and they'll compare those to the individual plaintiffs, be they players or the families of players that died.

Don't coach - bet. What you think the jury should do is irrelevant. What you claim you would do where you a 1-man jury is equally irrelevant (afterall, both you and veilpass would get your asses bounced from the pool). History tells us what the jury will do.

Ignore it at your own peril.
If I wanted to remain in that jury pool I assure you I could do so.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:33 PM   #172
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If I wanted to remain in that jury pool I assure you I could do so.
Yeah, billions of dollars at stake, they're not going to be looking deep up your pooper or anything.
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Sounds like you are rooting for the league to lose?
If you want to watch NFL games in 10 years, I would be concerned. And I would start demanding higher standards.
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I don't know about Seau's history of concussion, but the simple fact is that he chose to slam into other players like shown above. And, he was rewarded for it.

Right but we haven't known about the effects of the game until recently.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:35 PM   #175
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Yeah, billions of dollars at stake, they're not going to be looking deep up your pooper or anything.
Oh, well, if it's gonna' be THAT kind of party I don't want to stay anyway.

What type of things would you look for in the backgrounds of jurors in a case like that?
NFL fan status? Political bent?
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Knowing long-term consequences isn't a doctor-level understanding. There does have to be some fully informed consent standard in this employee relationship.

There has to be mandatory clinics all players attend during training camp. The club basically needs to tell them, "There's a 50/50 chance you're going to be mentally ****ed up if you play for longer than 2 years when you're 40."
And it would still likely be considered a contract of adhesion; afterall it's hardly an arms-length transaction. It's a document written by trained attorneys and presented to a guy that either gets to play football for millions or flip burgers for a living.

Once again, I know the argument will be 'well they just didn't have to play', but I can tell you that a jury's not going to buy that when they have actual corpses in front of them.

Besides, the beautiful thing about waivers is that there are very few of them that I can argue are both 1) specific enough to be clear as to what they're addressing and 2) broad enough to cover all contingencies.

Put me in a room with any document you draw up, give me enough time, money and manpower and sooner or later I'll figure out a way to attack one of those 2 problems.

It's nowhere near as straightforward as vailpass or Donger are trying to make it. If it were, the NFL would've dealt with stuff like this, injury settlements or even Free Agency a long long time ago. The NFL can't just say 'here it is, take it or leave it', or we wouldn't have FA or exorbitant salaries now would we?
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Yep. And it is sheer lunacy. There is implied consent there that should relieve the NFL of any punitive liability.
I agree with this. Nobody forced any player to play football in the NFL, its their choice and risk to earn the income and lifestyle that comes with it.
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If you want to watch NFL games in 10 years, I would be concerned. And I would start demanding higher standards.
I have already started demanding higher standards. Less QB protection, less restrictive rules on defenders being able to hit, the return of the wedge on kickoffs, etc.
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Old 05-02-2012, 01:37 PM   #179
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Here's a great (very lengthy) New Yorker article from last year: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...a_fact_mcgrath
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