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Old 05-02-2012, 12:05 PM  
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Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

North County Times reporting Seau "found dead by a housekeeper of a gunshot wound to the chest."

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Junior Seau Dead Cops Investigating Shooting

Cops are currently at Seau's home just outside San Diego. Seau was 43-years-old ... and leaves behind 3 kids and an ex-wife.

Seau was a beast in the NFL -- skyrocketing to fame thanks to his explosive play with the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. The USC standout was selected in the first round of the NFL draft in 1990 and played in the league for 20 years.

Seau was involved in a car accident back in 2010 when he drove his SUV off a cliff in Carlsbad, CA hours after he was arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend. Seau later said he was not trying to kill himself ... insisting he had fallen asleep at the wheel.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/02/junior-seau-dead/

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Old 05-02-2012, 06:08 PM   #286
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:10 PM   #287
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I heard today that Seau was never on any injury report for any type of head injury during his career.

That being said, even if he had a head injury history............

If you tell these guys to play in the league and get paid millions they risk potential head injury type issues later in life.

How many decide not to play?
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:37 PM   #288
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Isn't the end always sort of "sudden". I mean, the exact end.
My grandma was a vegetable for 10 years because my grandpa was far too religious to ever "pull the cord". No, the end isn't always sudden; sometimes it comes years after it humanely should've.

Using that personal anecdote as a demonstration of the opposite end of the spectrum, I'd call suicide at 43, "sudden".
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:40 PM   #289
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I heard today that Seau was never on any injury report for any type of head injury during his career.

That being said, even if he had a head injury history............

If you tell these guys to play in the league and get paid millions they risk potential head injury type issues later in life.

How many decide not to play?
Depends. How many are prevented from the sport by parents who are now more aware of the consequences of aggregate head trauma? Probably a small-ish percentage (say, 10-20%), but enough to make a significant impact on the sport's popularity at that age. Say those kids, instead, are put into basketball and baseball and soccer, and are fans of those sports instead. Now you're talking about the financial success of the league.. what happens when the NFL sees lower gate receipt totals and smaller TV contracts because that generation now spends their disposable income to watch other sports? This seems like a logically fallacious argument, but it definitely is plausible.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:46 PM   #290
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I've pretty much given up on arguing with anyone about the supposed "selfishness" of suicide, because I've come to believe that many people are simply incapable of empathic cognitive behavior and cannot understand mental illnesses.

If anything Junior Seau should be the posterboy for this line of thinking: he's tremendously successful, wealthy (I'm supposing), in great shape for his age, has children... and yet, he still kills himself. That is either the most selfish, hateful, shameful thing you can ever do, or a product of some major neurological trauma. He had all the reasons to live and the money to get the best help available, and still shoots himself in the chest. No, the truly selfish thing here is appealing to the "logical high ground" of how those people simply can't rationalize their importance in the lives of others. Bullshit.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:06 PM   #291
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I've pretty much given up on arguing with anyone about the supposed "selfishness" of suicide, because I've come to believe that many people are simply incapable of empathic cognitive behavior and cannot understand mental illnesses.

If anything Junior Seau should be the posterboy for this line of thinking: he's tremendously successful, wealthy (I'm supposing), in great shape for his age, has children... and yet, he still kills himself. That is either the most selfish, hateful, shameful thing you can ever do, or a product of some major neurological trauma. He had all the reasons to live and the money to get the best help available, and still shoots himself in the chest. No, the truly selfish thing here is appealing to the "logical high ground" of how those people simply can't rationalize their importance in the lives of others. Bullshit.
If anyone actually believes he was just selfish, go slam your head on the sidewalk a few times every Sunday for 6 months for oh about 20 years.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:39 PM   #292
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I've pretty much given up on arguing with anyone about the supposed "selfishness" of suicide, because I've come to believe that many people are simply incapable of empathic cognitive behavior and cannot understand mental illnesses.

If anything Junior Seau should be the posterboy for this line of thinking: he's tremendously successful, wealthy (I'm supposing), in great shape for his age, has children... and yet, he still kills himself. That is either the most selfish, hateful, shameful thing you can ever do, or a product of some major neurological trauma. He had all the reasons to live and the money to get the best help available, and still shoots himself in the chest. No, the truly selfish thing here is appealing to the "logical high ground" of how those people simply can't rationalize their importance in the lives of others. Bullshit.
I used this line of thinking in discussing this with my 16 year old son earlier today. He couldn't grasp how someone with so much to live for could kill themselves. I explained to him that is sometimes the rub. You have so many wonderful things, a dream life, and should be happy but that makes the pain and guilt more unbearable.

Most of us live with the notion that if we just had ___ we'd be happy. What happens when you actually get ____ plus more and you are uncontrollably in pain and miserable? Obviously, Seau had some serious pain. Very sad.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:30 PM   #293
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:45 PM   #294
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I have suffered many concussions in my life, also being on the edge of committing suicide. I was lucky, someone saved my life. Once you get to that point you are no longer yourself... and you have lost control. My heart breaks for his children and his other family. Really a tragedy for a great guy from all accounts. R.I.P. Junior Seau.
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Old 05-02-2012, 08:45 PM   #295
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Sad. I think after his brain is examined and studied this will be another case of CTE.
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People that commit suicide always piss me off. So freakin selfish.
It is hard to understand severe depression if you haven't suffered from it yourself. Sorry you can't feel empathy. People like you piss me off.
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It is hard to understand severe depression if you haven't suffered from it yourself. Sorry you can't feel empathy. People like you piss me off.
Hahahahaha - we'll soon have so many crutches for people in our society that nobody will need to take any personal responsibility at all. Kid is high energy - must be ADHD... He was raised without a father, give him a pass because he has 5 kids with 4 different mothers. He's depressed so he offed himself, it's okay because he was depressed though. I don't care what ailment you have. If the guy toting around 80 lbs of testicle to use as a chair at any moment hasn't put a bullet in his skull then there isn't an excuse large enough.
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Hahahahaha - we'll soon have so many crutches for people in our society that nobody will need to take any personal responsibility at all. Kid is high energy - must be ADHD... He was raised without a father, give him a pass because he has 5 kids with 4 different mothers. He's depressed so he offed himself, it's okay because he was depressed though. I don't care what ailment you have. If the guy toting around 80 lbs of testicle to use as a chair at any moment hasn't put a bullet in his skull then there isn't an excuse large enough.
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