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Old 05-02-2012, 01:05 PM  
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Junior Seau dead, probable suicide

North County Times reporting Seau "found dead by a housekeeper of a gunshot wound to the chest."

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Junior Seau Dead Cops Investigating Shooting

Cops are currently at Seau's home just outside San Diego. Seau was 43-years-old ... and leaves behind 3 kids and an ex-wife.

Seau was a beast in the NFL -- skyrocketing to fame thanks to his explosive play with the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. The USC standout was selected in the first round of the NFL draft in 1990 and played in the league for 20 years.

Seau was involved in a car accident back in 2010 when he drove his SUV off a cliff in Carlsbad, CA hours after he was arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend. Seau later said he was not trying to kill himself ... insisting he had fallen asleep at the wheel.

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Old 05-03-2012, 06:51 AM   #406
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Sucks, dude was bad ass. RIP brother.
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:53 AM   #407
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The point to me is, suicide is NOT something done by people of sound mind. Maybe he should have gotten help, and maybe he had moments of lucidity when that was possible. End of the day though, it's obvious that people who commit suicide are NOT in their right minds. It goes against any natural instinct of self preservation we all have. To go against that instinct is to be truly insane. Therefore, Junior Seau was insane, and it manifested itself in the form of violence and finally suicide. It IS tragic, (whether you think he was just being selfish or not) that he came to the conclusion that everyone would be better off without him.

His mom's video broke my heart. I can't even watch it all. This whole thing is horrible.
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:55 AM   #408
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No, because serial killers act out and impose pain on others. And while Seau's actions will pain others his committing suicide was acting out on himself against himself.

A friend was having an affair, loved both women, couldn't decide on which and in a fit of drunken stupor killed himself on Christmas Eve with his young children downstairs at a party the family was hosting.
A house full of friends and family celebrating Christmas forever tarnished with the memory of that night. We were invited but did not attend that party, thank God.

If there was an argument for suicide being selfish his suicide would fit the bill. Yet after the shock and anger wears off you see a tragic story of someone who lost control of their life, was living a lie, drank too much and had a gun in the house.

We often wonder, if he'd just waited until the morning would he have made the same choice? We think he wouldn't. Believe it or not, he was a fantastic father, good husband, and all around loveable sweet guy. The last person in the world you would call 'selfish.'
Don't know the guy, but I have to disagree with the fantastic father, good husband part. He was obviously neither or he wouldn't have been in the pickle he was in.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:06 AM   #409
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Don't know the guy, but I have to disagree with the fantastic father, good husband part. He was obviously neither or he wouldn't have been in the pickle he was in.
Well there was the rub. He was the LAST person you would have expected to be living a double life. I think of it as a really good person who made a series of bad choices and then lost control. If he'd been a lying dog then I think he probably could have lived with himself but he wasn't and didn't know how to handle his failures.

It was all around sad. Still is.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:23 AM   #410
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I was not trying to make an "excuse" for what Seau did, I imagine however, that I was where he was in the days and hours leading up to his suicide. I was lucky, there was someone there to save.. not because I called them but just because they were there. I am glad that person was there. I really just wish Junior had gotten the help he needed before it was too late.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:54 AM   #411
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The point to me is, suicide is NOT something done by people of sound mind. Maybe he should have gotten help, and maybe he had moments of lucidity when that was possible. End of the day though, it's obvious that people who commit suicide are NOT in their right minds. It goes against any natural instinct of self preservation we all have. To go against that instinct is to be truly insane. Therefore, Junior Seau was insane, and it manifested itself in the form of violence and finally suicide. It IS tragic, (whether you think he was just being selfish or not) that he came to the conclusion that everyone would be better off without him.

His mom's video broke my heart. I can't even watch it all. This whole thing is horrible.
Murder is not something someone of sound mind does but you can't let every murderer plead insanity.

It's tragic that he felt this was his only way out. I feel bad for his mother.
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:02 AM   #412
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Like Phil, I detest suicide. But unlike Phil, I refuse to damn a person that is in so much pain(a pain that I will never know) that the actually end their own life. There is so much in this world that I do not understand, and this is one of them.
I feel that I am a spiritual person and refuse to judge another person. Espeially on is so much pain. Even though I detest his action, I feel sarrow for him, his family and friends.
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The point to me is, suicide is NOT something done by people of sound mind. Maybe he should have gotten help, and maybe he had moments of lucidity when that was possible. End of the day though, it's obvious that people who commit suicide are NOT in their right minds. It goes against any natural instinct of self preservation we all have. To go against that instinct is to be truly insane. Therefore, Junior Seau was insane, and it manifested itself in the form of violence and finally suicide. It IS tragic, (whether you think he was just being selfish or not) that he came to the conclusion that everyone would be better off without him.

His mom's video broke my heart. I can't even watch it all. This whole thing is horrible.
People who kill themselves are not automatically insane. Depression is not insanity. Millions of people suffer depression, and almost none of them kill themselves.

If you kill yourself due to depression, you are probably an ego-driven idiot who cared about yourself more than your family.
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If suicide was just random out of the blue crazy, we should be seeing wealthy and happily married people suddenly snapping at the same rate as everyone else, but they don't. Somehow, when you are handed a divorce or you are staring down the barrel of bankruptcy (like Seau), you tend to kill yourself a lot more often. Though insane people killing themselves does happen, that is not random insanity, that is ego-driven "if I can't have her/money, then I don't want to live", without much thought for family.

Automatically presuming all people who kill themselves were crazy, and we need to try to understand their pain and not come down on them seems like enabling to me. Many people who kill themselves want everyone to know how much of a tortured soul they were and react by sympathetically trying to understand them. If they knew instead that the reaction would be very negative, that after the shock and grief wears off we'd all remember them with anger as someone who was selfish, maybe they would think twice. If we incorrectly tarnish the memory of someone who was really crazy, so what? They are dead, we're not hurting them.
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People who kill themselves are not automatically insane. Depression is not insanity. Millions of people suffer depression, and almost none of them kill themselves.

If you kill yourself due to depression, you are probably an ego-driven idiot who cared about yourself more than your family.
Yet, we will never know that probability because we will never know the pain and/or turmiol inside that person.
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This journalist says it was the hard hits Junior took over time in a safety lax pre Roger Goodell era that led to his suicide, and absolutely nothing else. The writer suggests Goodell has no choice put to pussify the league even more if we seriously want to prevent this tragedy from happening again. Really...

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This journalist says it was the hard hits Junior took over time in a safety lax pre Roger Goodell era that led to his suicide, and absolutely nothing else. The writer suggests Goodell has no choice put to pussify the league even more if we seriously want to prevent this tragedy from happening again. Really...

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Actually, I agree with Kevin Keitzman.

This issue EXPLODED with the advent of modern equipment. Guys are suited in armor and feel like the invulnerable. They've been subconsciously instructed to use their helmet as a weapon.

Give them leather helmets and a lot of this would stop.
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A friend was having an affair, loved both women, couldn't decide on which and in a fit of drunken stupor [b]killed himself on Christmas Eve with his young children downstairs at a party the family was hosting.

Believe it or not, he was a fantastic father, good husband, and all around loveable sweet guy. The last person in the world you would call 'selfish.'
Um. No. Sometimes I have trouble believing you can find your mouth with a spoon.
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Actually, I agree with Kevin Keitzman.

This issue EXPLODED with the advent of modern equipment. Guys are suited in armor and feel like the invulnerable. They've been subconsciously instructed to use their helmet as a weapon.

Give them leather helmets and a lot of this would stop.


Not to make light of the sitation, but Junior was a Defensive Player - I'm of the opinion watching Goodell constantly neuter the defenses will INCREASE suicide risk in ex defensive players more than DECREASE it. JMO.
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