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Old 05-03-2012, 02:53 PM  
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Silly argument about paintings

I am at work today and I was talking to my co-worker about "The Scream", which sold at an auction for nearly 120 million dollars. Anyway, I referred to it as a painting, and he quickly corrected me "IT'S NOT A PAINTING, IT'S A PASTEL!". Which is correct, it is a pastel. But isn't a pastel still a painting? I looked up "painting" and it says Painting is the practice of applying paint, pigment, color or other medium to a surface (support base).

I also found a billion videos of artists using pastel crayons (or whatever they're called) and referring to their work as "paintings" like this one for example


So no, it isn't a painting in the literal sense that it was painted with paint and a brush, but is it still wrong to refer to it as a painting?
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:00 PM   #31
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:03 PM   #32
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He's now saying if it isn't liquid paint, it isn't a painting.
So at this point, he is just making up his own definitions. What about resins or pastes?

The fact is that the International Association of Pastel Societies and The Pastel Journal define pastel artwork as paintings. Case closed.

From one of their sites... http://www.pastelinternational.com/
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Throughout this site, you will see examples of the finest pastel paintings from around the world.
A pastel is a pastel and it is also a painting... just like a watercolor is more specifically a watercolor but also a painting.
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:38 PM   #33
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So at this point, he is just making up his own definitions. What about resins or pastes?

The fact is that the International Association of Pastel Societies and The Pastel Journal define pastel artwork as paintings. Case closed.

From one of their sites... http://www.pastelinternational.com/


A pastel is a pastel and it is also a painting... just like a watercolor is more specifically a watercolor but also a painting.
There's a lot of places that define pastel artwork as paintings, but that isn't good enough for him. "There's a lot of idiots on the internet."
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:40 PM   #34
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:45 PM   #35
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There's a lot of places that define pastel artwork as paintings, but that isn't good enough for him. "There's a lot of idiots on the internet."
Ha, "idiots" like three of the largest organisations/publications related to that particular medium?

How about the Pastel Society of America? (oldest Pastel society in America) Which states... http://www.pastelsocietyofamerica.or...stelmedium.htm
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Generally, the ground is toned paper, but sanded boards and canvas are also popular. If the ground is covered completely with pastel, the work is considered a Pastel Painting; a Pastel Sketch shows much of the ground.
Oh and what about this group... The Society of Painters in Pastel (founded in 1885)
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:50 PM   #36
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Ha, "idiots" like three of the largest organisations/publications related to that particular medium?

How about the Pastel Society of America? (oldest Pastel society in America) Which states... http://www.pastelsocietyofamerica.or...stelmedium.htm


Oh and what about this group... The Society of Painters in Pastel (founded in 1885)
So by that definition it would make me wrong, since "The Scream" isn't completely covered is it? I don't know...either way I'm still calling it a painting and **** him if he doesn't see it that way. I don't mind being wrong about that particular painting, but I'm at least going to be right in that there are such a thing as "pastel paintings", which he claims is wrong.
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:54 PM   #37
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So by that definition it would make me wrong, since "The Scream" isn't completely covered is it? I don't know...either way I'm still calling it a painting and **** him if he doesn't see it that way
No, it is completely covered. And even if it wasn't...it doesn't have to be COMPLETELY covered... just a vast majority.
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:46 PM   #38
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So by that definition it would make me wrong, since "The Scream" isn't completely covered is it? I don't know...either way I'm still calling it a painting and **** him if he doesn't see it that way. I don't mind being wrong about that particular painting, but I'm at least going to be right in that there are such a thing as "pastel paintings", which he claims is wrong.
Also.. if you are wrong about the Scream.. then he would have to admit it is a Pastel Sketch? I doubt ANYONE would call it a sketch or drawing.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:04 PM   #39
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Its a Piece of crap he doodled it out in 20 minutes and there are actually several versions of the same piece of crap he did.

It is probably the worst art work of all time actually and the price they paid just to prop up their new art musuem is a joke.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:17 PM   #40
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Its a Piece of crap he doodled it out in 20 minutes and there are actually several versions of the same piece of crap he did.

It is probably the worst art work of all time actually and the price they paid just to prop up their new art musuem is a joke.
A lot a great paintings have nultiple iterations.
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I just don't understand it. This is why I tend to stick to sculptures and figures when I go to museums. I don't understand the appeal in paintings like these and many others. There was a painting at the Nelson Atkins museum that was literally just random squares and rectangles. It kind of pissed me off that some people consider that great art.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:43 PM   #43
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I am not a fan of impressionist paintings. To me a good painting is if I was looking at a picture. Like the paintings our Neice's husband does. He gets $20k-$30k per painting...


To me that is a skilled painter. I'm probably biased though.
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:14 PM   #44
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technically it's not a painting in my book, it's a pastel, but i would never jump any one's shit for calling it a painting, especially if, like Icarus, they didn't even know.

i painted my avatar.
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Old 05-03-2012, 08:35 PM   #45
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technically it's not a painting in my book, it's a pastel, but i would never jump any one's shit for calling it a painting, especially if, like Icarus, they didn't even know.

i painted my avatar.


I'm curious. Do you call oil paintings... um... oil?



It's just a shame Bob Ross is deceased, he could have settled this dispute.
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