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Old 05-21-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate

Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate


Published May 21, 2012| FoxNews.com

Some of the most influential Catholic institutions in the country filed suit against the Obama administration Monday over the so-called contraception mandate, in one of the biggest coordinated legal challenges to the rule to date.

Claiming their "fundamental rights hang in the balance," a total of 43 plaintiffs filed a dozen separate federal lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the requirement. Among the organizations filing were the University of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of New York and The Catholic University of America.

The groups are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months ago softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

A statement from the University of Notre Dame said the requirement would still call on religious-affiliated groups to "facilitate" coverage "for services that violate the teachings of the Catholic Church."

"The federal mandate requires Notre Dame and similar religious organizations to provide in their insurance plans abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization procedures, which are contrary to Catholic teaching," the statement said.

Rev. John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, said in a message to the campus that the filing "is about the freedom of a religious organization to live its mission, and its significance goes well beyond any debate about contraceptives."

The contraception rule does include an exemption for religious organizations -- but that exemption does not cover many religious-affiliated organizations like schools and charities. Complaints about the narrowly tailored exemption prompted a stand-off between the Obama administration and religious groups earlier this year. As a compromise, the administration said insurers -- and not the religious-affiliated organizations themselves -- could be required to offer contraceptive coverage directly.

But many organizations were not satisfied with the plan. John Garvey, president of Catholic University, said in a statement Monday that "such a revision would not solve our moral dilemma." He argued that the cost of contraceptive coverage would still be "rolled into the cost" of a university insurance policy.

"In the end the university, its employees and its students will be forced to pay for the prescriptions and services we find objectionable," he said.

University of Notre Dame Law Prof. Richard Garnett said in a statement that the mandate could affect a range of religious institutions, including "schools, health care providers and social welfare agencies."

On a separate track, officials at a Florida Catholic university decided Monday to drop student health care coverage, becoming the second school this month to make that call. The decision at Ave Maria University was based in part on objections to the contraception rule, but also on projected increased premium costs tied to new rules in the federal health care overhaul.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ption-mandate/
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:44 PM   #2
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:45 PM   #3
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Sounds like they need some "Re-Neducation"
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:51 PM   #5
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:22 PM   #7
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yes, priests hate wearing condoms when they rape little boys. So, BAN CONDOMS!!! ITS THE DEBIL!!!

I never could understand that religion, total brainwashing.
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:34 PM   #8
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yes, priests hate wearing condoms when they rape little boys. So, BAN CONDOMS!!! ITS THE DEBIL!!!

I never could understand that religion, total brainwashing.
Don't over generalize. It's not priests as a group. It was only 2% of priests. Also, Catholics have free-will to believe or not.
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:46 PM   #9
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Don't over generalize. It's not priests as a group. It was only 2% of priests. Also, Catholics have free-will to believe or not.
You are 100% correct.
He is also 100% justified in his disgust at the actions of those 2%. That is 2% too many. In addition to the child victims and their families those 2% hurt the entire Catholic community.
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Old 05-21-2012, 05:56 PM   #10
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Don't over generalize. It's not priests as a group. It was only 2% of priests. Also, Catholics have free-will to believe or not.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/09/aids

Let us all jump to defend this church! By all means, its primitive teachings and shameful acts of protecting child rapists should be enough to urge all to stand with them!

The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.
The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV.

A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms, despite assurances by the World Health Organization that they are untrue.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/09/aids

Let us all jump to defend this church! By all means, its primitive teachings and shameful acts of protecting child rapists should be enough to urge all to stand with them!
Do you strawman this much in real life? Let us "ALL?" Who said that? Or do you just have emotional reactions over using logic and reason.?

First off, that you would apply the pedophile label to all priests is bigotry because you don't agree with their beliefs. No one defended the generality of "child rapists" ( if that's what they did exactly since there's other ways to abuse). It was 2% of priests based on actual cases, and thought to be no higher than 4%. Meanwhile, other denominations have the same percentage of sexual abuse by clergy on children. It's highest among school teachers. ( around 10%) That's because pedophiles go where they can be in a position of trust with children. But by all means, lets react, in a knee-jerk, manner and apply the pedohile label to ALL priests.

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The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.
The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to HIV.

A senior Vatican spokesman backs the claims about permeable condoms, despite assurances by the World Health Organization that they are untrue.
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If it bothers you so much, go over there on your own mission and educate the same people OR donate to a group that does.

You're a Catholic basher. One of America's favorite past times.
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You are 100% correct.
He is also 100% justified in his disgust at the actions of those 2%. That is 2% too many. In addition to the child victims and their families those 2% hurt the entire Catholic community.
His reaction was a generality. Then extended to the religion's beliefs on top of it. When, I see equal condemnation of whole professions such as teachers, counselors and other denominations the I'll be convinced his reaction is not stemming from some anti-Catholic bigotry.
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Do you strawman this much in real life? Let us "ALL?" Who said that? Or do you just have emotional reactions over using logic and reason.?

First off, that you would apply the pedophile label to all priests is bigotry because you don't agree with their beliefs. No one defended the generality of "child rapists" ( if that's what they did exactly since there's other ways to abuse). It was 2% of priests based on actual cases, and thought to be no higher than 4%. Meanwhile, other denominations have the same percentage of sexual abuse by clergy on children. It's highest among school teachers. ( around 10%) That's because pedophiles go where they can be in a position of trust with children. But by all means, lets react, in a knee-jerk, manner and apply the pedohile label to ALL priests.


So

If it bothers you so much, go over there on your own mission and educate the same people OR donate to a group that does.

You're a Catholic basher. One of America's favorite past times.
You are an idiot if you defend the despicable actions of this church involving hiding priests who molested kids in the Vatican, and the primitive teachings they continue to use. Save your strawman type catch phrases for someone else. Look into the levels of child abuse in Ireland. Do your research. If you wish to continue this debate I will gladly reply with facts when I have time. When defending this church all of your work is ahead of you~
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:57 PM   #14
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You are an idiot if you defend the despicable actions of this church involving hiding priests who molested kids in the Vatican, and the primitive teachings they continue to use. Save your strawman type catch phrases for someone else. Look into the levels of child abuse in Ireland. Do your research. If you wish to continue this debate I will gladly reply with facts when I have time. When defending this church all of your work is ahead of you~
There's a difference between defending the Church, and defending "the despicable actions of this church."
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There's a difference between defending the Church, and defending "the despicable actions of this church."
Fair enough, however the "Churches" actions have been often shameful for centuries~
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