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Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate

Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate


Published May 21, 2012| FoxNews.com

Some of the most influential Catholic institutions in the country filed suit against the Obama administration Monday over the so-called contraception mandate, in one of the biggest coordinated legal challenges to the rule to date.

Claiming their "fundamental rights hang in the balance," a total of 43 plaintiffs filed a dozen separate federal lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the requirement. Among the organizations filing were the University of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of New York and The Catholic University of America.

The groups are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months ago softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

A statement from the University of Notre Dame said the requirement would still call on religious-affiliated groups to "facilitate" coverage "for services that violate the teachings of the Catholic Church."

"The federal mandate requires Notre Dame and similar religious organizations to provide in their insurance plans abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization procedures, which are contrary to Catholic teaching," the statement said.

Rev. John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, said in a message to the campus that the filing "is about the freedom of a religious organization to live its mission, and its significance goes well beyond any debate about contraceptives."

The contraception rule does include an exemption for religious organizations -- but that exemption does not cover many religious-affiliated organizations like schools and charities. Complaints about the narrowly tailored exemption prompted a stand-off between the Obama administration and religious groups earlier this year. As a compromise, the administration said insurers -- and not the religious-affiliated organizations themselves -- could be required to offer contraceptive coverage directly.

But many organizations were not satisfied with the plan. John Garvey, president of Catholic University, said in a statement Monday that "such a revision would not solve our moral dilemma." He argued that the cost of contraceptive coverage would still be "rolled into the cost" of a university insurance policy.

"In the end the university, its employees and its students will be forced to pay for the prescriptions and services we find objectionable," he said.

University of Notre Dame Law Prof. Richard Garnett said in a statement that the mandate could affect a range of religious institutions, including "schools, health care providers and social welfare agencies."

On a separate track, officials at a Florida Catholic university decided Monday to drop student health care coverage, becoming the second school this month to make that call. The decision at Ave Maria University was based in part on objections to the contraception rule, but also on projected increased premium costs tied to new rules in the federal health care overhaul.

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Old 05-21-2012, 09:10 PM   #46
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If you say so; you'll understand then if I take the liberty in presuming to understand yours.
You don't need to presume. If I were a Catholic, I would be revolted enough with the behavior of the leadership to tacitly allow continued kiddie rape to have it seriously make me doubt continuing my membership of said church. Think Obama here (without the kiddie rape).
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:17 PM   #47
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You don't need to presume. If I were a Catholic, I would be revolted enough with the behavior of the leadership to tacitly allow continued kiddie rape to have it seriously make me doubt continuing my membership of said church. Think Obama here (without the kiddie rape).
If Obama raped a kid, would you give up your citizenship?
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:24 PM   #48
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If Obama raped a kid, would you give up your citizenship?
If I were a member of his church I would. I'm not. Or, if Obama transferred a suspected or known kiddie rapist around to another part of the country, tacitly enabled continued rape, I would.

But, let's get back to reality. Do you agree with Obama's decision to leave his church because of its leaderships positions?
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:36 PM   #49
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If I were a member of his church I would. I'm not. Or, if Obama transferred a suspected or known kiddie rapist around to another part of the country, tacitly enabled continued rape, I would.

But, let's get back to reality. Do you agree with Obama's decision to leave his church because of its leaderships positions?
It's not the Pope's Church. Catholics have this crazy belief that it's Jesus', God's, Church. If one adheres to that, why would he let the actions of the current leaders change his relationship with God? He couldn't. Asking a faithful Catholic to leave the Church because of the temporary mistakes of its leaders is like asking a fish to renounce the sea because of its wetness. There will always be mistakes. There will always be problems. And there is no church that has the magic shield of dodging them. Who am I to toss aside the Church that Jesus made? Yes, I need a church as unblemished and perfect as me, just like I need my country.

I don't care about Obama's decision to leave his church. It matters not at all to me. Apparently Obama believes that his church isn't good enough to stick around for, but a faithful Catholic already knows that.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:45 PM   #50
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It's not the Pope's Church. Catholics have this crazy belief that it's Jesus', God's, Church. If one adheres to that, why would he let the actions of the current leaders change his relationship with God? He couldn't. Asking a faithful Catholic to leave the Church because of the temporary mistakes of its leaders is like asking a fish to renounce the sea because of its wetness. There will always be mistakes. There will always be problems. And there is no church that has the magic shield of dodging them.
A fish doesn't have a choice to leave the water. A Catholic does.

Is the Pope and the other leadership not the human face of the church? It sure seems like they are. I don't see Jesus or God making the revolting decision to brush these acts under the rug and tacitly allow them to continue. Do you? So, I think that not only do those humans deserve to held responsible, but those who committed the actual acts also be brought to justice. And certainly not conveniently dismissed by the people they lead.

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I don't care about Obama's decision to leave his church. It matters not at all to me. Apparently Obama believes that his church isn't good enough to stick around for, but a faithful Catholic already knows that.
That's fine. It was just a fun example of someone's ability to put other things before one's devotion to one's church.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:54 PM   #51
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A fish doesn't have a choice to leave the water. A Catholic does.
A Catholic has a choice to leave the Church in that modern, cynical way of knowing what the price of everything is but the value of nothing. That choice is cheap plastic. You may be blessed to have that ability to toss aside your deepest convictions like yesterday's trash, but some people still have that medieval notion that the Church encapsulates our relationship with God in a way that otherwise leaves us incomplete as human beings.

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Is the Pope and the other leadership not the human face of the church? It sure seems like they are. I don't see Jesus or God making the revolting decision to brush these acts under the rug and tacitly allow them to continue. Do you? So, I think that not only do those humans deserve to held responsible, but those who committed the actual acts also be brought to justice. And certainly not conveniently dismissed by the people they lead.
I don't know what "human face of the church" is. Are they the most strategically important? Yes. Are they the most visible? Probably. Are they the human face of the Church? That doesn't make any sense to me. The Church is made up of billions of people, dead and alive, temporally powerful and not. Of course there must be accountability. Do I conveniently dismiss the people who abused children? Do I accept them? Do I defend their actions? Why are you implying that I do? Is it because you are a dishonest person?

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A fish doesn't have a choice to leave the water. A Catholic does.
Not if they truly believe. The option a Catholic has of staying in the church while understanding its leaders are only human exists. I'd also say that those that stay with the church have all been influenced by a priest, nun, or whatever that truly reflect how that person would want to emulate.
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A Catholic has a choice to leave the Church in that modern, cynical way of knowing what the price of everything is but the value of nothing. That choice is cheap plastic. You may be blessed to have that ability to toss aside your deepest convictions like yesterday's trash, but some people still have that medieval notion that the Church encapsulates our relationship with God in a way that otherwise leaves us incomplete as human beings.
Well, we do live in the modern world. My convictions aren't tied to anything other than themselves. If you chose to tie your convictions to a church, even when the leadership of that church has done what your's has, so be it.

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I don't know what "human face of the church" is. Are they the most strategically important? Yes. Are they the most visible? Probably. Are they the human face of the Church? That doesn't make any sense to me. The Church is made up of billions of people, dead and alive, temporally powerful and not. Of course there must be accountability. Do I conveniently dismiss the people who abused children? Do I accept them? Do I defend their actions? Why are you implying that I do? Is it because you are a dishonest person?
They are the leadership of your church, are they not? I would think that that makes them the human, non-divine face of your church.

I'm not implying that you defend the actions of the actual abusers, but you do seem to be defending the men who tacitly allowed the abusers to continue to abuse. Is that incorrect?
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Not if they truly believe. The option a Catholic has of staying in the church while understanding its leaders are only human exists. I'd also say that those that stay with the church have all been influenced by a priest, nun, or whatever that truly reflect how that person would want to emulate.
Believe in what? You can still be a Christian and not be in the Catholic church.
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Well, we do live in the modern world. My convictions aren't tied to anything other than themselves. If you chose to tie your convictions to a church, even when the leadership of that church has done what your's has, so be it.
"Well, we do live in the modern world." And your convictions are not tied to anything but themselves? What about this modern world? On one hand, you want to be so modern, but on the other hand, so independent. It's such a loose cannon that in the very same paragraph you can both defend your solidarity with modernity and declare your superiority of it all.
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Believe in what? You can still be a Christian and not be in the Catholic church.
Modernity demands that all religious denominations be seen as equally crazy strains of nonsense. There's no real difference between one or the other, right?
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"Well, we do live in the modern world." And your convictions are not tied to anything but themselves? What about this modern world? On one hand, you want to be so modern, but on the other hand, so independent. It's such a loose cannon that in the very same paragraph you can both defend your solidarity with modernity and declare your superiority of it all.
I'm simply stating a fact. We do live in the modern world (you included). You brought up modernity and medieval notions, not I.
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Modernity demands that all religious denominations be seen as equally crazy strains of nonsense. There's no real difference between one or the other, right?
Sure, there seem to be significant differences between religious denominations, even Christian ones. You may also note that I wasn't asking you.
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I'm simply stating a fact. We do live in the modern world (you included). You brought up modernity and medieval notions, not I.
Why would you give up your citizenship if Obama "transferred a suspected or known kiddie rapist around to another part of the country, tacitly enabled continued rape?"

Why would you do that? Why is your citizenship to this country worth so little?
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