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Old 05-21-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate

Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate


Published May 21, 2012| FoxNews.com

Some of the most influential Catholic institutions in the country filed suit against the Obama administration Monday over the so-called contraception mandate, in one of the biggest coordinated legal challenges to the rule to date.

Claiming their "fundamental rights hang in the balance," a total of 43 plaintiffs filed a dozen separate federal lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the requirement. Among the organizations filing were the University of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of New York and The Catholic University of America.

The groups are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months ago softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

A statement from the University of Notre Dame said the requirement would still call on religious-affiliated groups to "facilitate" coverage "for services that violate the teachings of the Catholic Church."

"The federal mandate requires Notre Dame and similar religious organizations to provide in their insurance plans abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization procedures, which are contrary to Catholic teaching," the statement said.

Rev. John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, said in a message to the campus that the filing "is about the freedom of a religious organization to live its mission, and its significance goes well beyond any debate about contraceptives."

The contraception rule does include an exemption for religious organizations -- but that exemption does not cover many religious-affiliated organizations like schools and charities. Complaints about the narrowly tailored exemption prompted a stand-off between the Obama administration and religious groups earlier this year. As a compromise, the administration said insurers -- and not the religious-affiliated organizations themselves -- could be required to offer contraceptive coverage directly.

But many organizations were not satisfied with the plan. John Garvey, president of Catholic University, said in a statement Monday that "such a revision would not solve our moral dilemma." He argued that the cost of contraceptive coverage would still be "rolled into the cost" of a university insurance policy.

"In the end the university, its employees and its students will be forced to pay for the prescriptions and services we find objectionable," he said.

University of Notre Dame Law Prof. Richard Garnett said in a statement that the mandate could affect a range of religious institutions, including "schools, health care providers and social welfare agencies."

On a separate track, officials at a Florida Catholic university decided Monday to drop student health care coverage, becoming the second school this month to make that call. The decision at Ave Maria University was based in part on objections to the contraception rule, but also on projected increased premium costs tied to new rules in the federal health care overhaul.

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Old 05-21-2012, 10:41 PM   #61
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Why would you give up your citizenship if Obama "transferred a suspected or known kiddie rapist around to another part of the country, tacitly enabled continued rape?"

Why would you do that? Why is your citizenship to this country worth so little?
You already asked that and I already answered you.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:43 PM   #62
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You already asked that and I already answered you.
I previously asked if you would (and you answered you would). Now I want to know your explanation for why you would. Is it because Obama is the public face of the United States, and you can't bear yourself to have the world associate him with you? Is it because you think there are better countries than the United States? Is it because you don't think the United States would be able to recover from such a blow?
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:44 PM   #63
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I previously asked if you would (and you answered you would). Now I want to know your explanation for why you would. Is it because Obama is the public face of the United States, and you can't bear yourself to have the world associate him with you?
No, I didn't. You are neglecting to mention that I stated I'm not a member of Obama's church. I'm not (as I stated). If I were, sure, I'd leave his church.

And, like I said, let's get back to reality.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:46 PM   #64
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Donger could renounce his citizenship?
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I previously asked if you would (and you answered you would). Now I want to know your explanation for why you would. Is it because Obama is the public face of the United States, and you can't bear yourself to have the world associate him with you? Is it because you think there are better countries than the United States? Is it because you don't think the United States would be able to recover from such a blow?
Ii took it to mean that if he lived in a country where the leader swept away evidence of wide spread child molestation that was done by the leaders around the country.....and the top leaders were involved in the hiding of evidence and the coverup of crimes...and not just the current leader or administration...but generations....and this problem was spread far and wide.......and the leaders were forbidden to marry or have normal sexual relations........then yes he might consider leaving....

thats just how i took it though
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:49 PM   #66
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If I were a member of his church I would. I'm not. Or, if Obama transferred a suspected or known kiddie rapist around to another part of the country, tacitly enabled continued rape, I would.

But, let's get back to reality. Do you agree with Obama's decision to leave his church because of its leaderships positions?
So, if you were a member of his church, and he raped a kid, you would renounce your citizenship?

I know what you're saying now. I thought your third sentence still related to my question, but now I see you weren't answering my question; just making up your own answers for your own questions.
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If I was catholic I think it would dawn on me that forbidding priests to marry or have sex isn't really a great idea........I'd probably find a religion where I could seek advice from someone who knows the issues I will deal with....wife, family, children...etc
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Ii took it to mean that if he lived in a country where the leader swept away evidence of wide spread child molestation that was done by the leaders around the country.....and the top leaders were involved in the hiding of evidence and the coverup of crimes...and not just the current leader or administration...but generations....and this problem was spread far and wide.......and the leaders were forbidden to marry or have normal sexual relations........then yes he might consider leaving....

thats just how i took it though
I first took it as him saying a purposeful interpretation of the 14th Amendment discriminated against women for equal protection purposes.
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If I was catholic I think it would dawn on me that forbidding priests to marry or have sex isn't really a great idea........I'd probably find a religion where I could seek advice from someone who knows the issues I will deal with....wife, family, children...etc
If you knew better, you'd know that these priests had male victims primarily. So I don't think marriage would handle this. Most pedophiles are married even. It's an affliction that can't be cured married or not.
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I first took it as him saying a purposeful interpretation of the 14th Amendment discriminated against women for equal protection purposes.
yes im sure according to you sticking your dick into kids buns is constitutional

as long as each kid gets a chance
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So, if you were a member of his church, and he raped a kid, you would renounce your citizenship?

I know what you're saying now. I thought your third sentence still related to my question, but now I see you weren't answering my question; just making up your own answers for your own questions.
My citizenship is to my country, not a church, obviously.

If a POTUS who I supported and voted for was guilty of such behavior, I would most certainly not vote for that POTUS or not support him again or the party which protected him.
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If you knew better, you'd know that these priests had male victims primarily. So I don't think marriage would handle this. Most pedophiles are married even. It's an affliction that can't be cured married or not.
think a little deeper.....

why do pedos become priests at a higher rate?

because you have to give up marriage...sex with an adult female....family

You realize what you said only supports what I said, right?

If priests COULD marry, there wouldnt be that problem....
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If I was catholic I think it would dawn on me that forbidding priests to marry or have sex isn't really a great idea........I'd probably find a religion where I could seek advice from someone who knows the issues I will deal with....wife, family, children...etc
Priests aren't intended to be your psychologists.
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Priests aren't intended to be your psychologists.
Oh really? Then why do they do family counseling? Why do they do marriage counseling? You must really not be catholic.....
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Did you answer this yet, Literature?

I'm not implying that you defend the actions of the actual abusers, but you do seem to be defending the men who tacitly allowed the abusers to continue to abuse. Is that incorrect?
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