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Old 05-21-2012, 12:50 PM  
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Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate

Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate


Published May 21, 2012| FoxNews.com

Some of the most influential Catholic institutions in the country filed suit against the Obama administration Monday over the so-called contraception mandate, in one of the biggest coordinated legal challenges to the rule to date.

Claiming their "fundamental rights hang in the balance," a total of 43 plaintiffs filed a dozen separate federal lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the requirement. Among the organizations filing were the University of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of New York and The Catholic University of America.

The groups are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months ago softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

A statement from the University of Notre Dame said the requirement would still call on religious-affiliated groups to "facilitate" coverage "for services that violate the teachings of the Catholic Church."

"The federal mandate requires Notre Dame and similar religious organizations to provide in their insurance plans abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization procedures, which are contrary to Catholic teaching," the statement said.

Rev. John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, said in a message to the campus that the filing "is about the freedom of a religious organization to live its mission, and its significance goes well beyond any debate about contraceptives."

The contraception rule does include an exemption for religious organizations -- but that exemption does not cover many religious-affiliated organizations like schools and charities. Complaints about the narrowly tailored exemption prompted a stand-off between the Obama administration and religious groups earlier this year. As a compromise, the administration said insurers -- and not the religious-affiliated organizations themselves -- could be required to offer contraceptive coverage directly.

But many organizations were not satisfied with the plan. John Garvey, president of Catholic University, said in a statement Monday that "such a revision would not solve our moral dilemma." He argued that the cost of contraceptive coverage would still be "rolled into the cost" of a university insurance policy.

"In the end the university, its employees and its students will be forced to pay for the prescriptions and services we find objectionable," he said.

University of Notre Dame Law Prof. Richard Garnett said in a statement that the mandate could affect a range of religious institutions, including "schools, health care providers and social welfare agencies."

On a separate track, officials at a Florida Catholic university decided Monday to drop student health care coverage, becoming the second school this month to make that call. The decision at Ave Maria University was based in part on objections to the contraception rule, but also on projected increased premium costs tied to new rules in the federal health care overhaul.

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Old 05-22-2012, 12:01 AM   #76
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yes im sure according to you sticking your dick into kids buns is constitutional

as long as each kid gets a chance
I'm not sure what could even possess a person to write that down and click 'submit.' Maybe this is why you are such a stunning success, though. You go the extra mile.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:02 AM   #77
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My citizenship is to my country, not a church, obviously.

If a POTUS who I supported and voted for was guilty of such behavior, I would most certainly not vote for that POTUS or not support him again or the party which protected him.
And in the next Papal election, I'm sure I will remember to seek out which faction is tougher on crime.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:04 AM   #78
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Oh really? Then why do they do family counseling? Why do they do marriage counseling? You must really not be catholic.....
Maybe because they bored. No one is forced to go to a priest for family counseling. If some people think it helps them, hey, it's a free country.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:04 AM   #79
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I'm not sure what could even possess a person to write that down and click 'submit.' Maybe this is why you are such a stunning success, though. You go the extra mile.
Youre the one trying to change the subject....at least my jokes are on topic...
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:08 AM   #80
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Maybe because they bored. No one is forced to go to a priest for family counseling. If some people think it helps them, hey, it's a free country.
Wait what....."They bored"

Thats why priests offer counseling to families and couples.....?

ummm

ok...

All I am saying is that i think the counseling services , especially marriage and family counslling that the church offers...would be much more useful if the people running it had families, wives, husbands, and children of their own.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:09 AM   #81
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Did you answer this yet, Literature?

I'm not implying that you defend the actions of the actual abusers, but you do seem to be defending the men who tacitly allowed the abusers to continue to abuse. Is that incorrect?
It might be correct or incorrect. Do I think John Paul II failed to adequately respond to the sexual abuse crisis? Yes. Do I defend him for other reasons? Yes, many other reasons, but they have little to do with the sexual abuse crisis (although I will defend him against charges that he did nothing, or that he wanted the abuse to continue).

Maybe this is what you meant by it being difficult. It would be easier to condemn John Paul II as a moral failure. I could declare myself such a better person than he, from the comfort of my home, having so little responsibility over an organization so tremendous.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:12 AM   #82
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Wait what....."They bored"

Thats why priests offer counseling to families and couples.....?

ummm

ok...

All I am saying is that i think the counseling services , especially marriage and family counslling that the church offers...would be much more useful if the people running it had families, wives, husbands, and children of their own.
Okay, then don't go to a priest for a question you have about raising a child or dealing with your wife. Should we declare priest advice unconstitutional?
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:15 AM   #83
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think a little deeper.....
I think you need to do that. But first you need to get some facts under your thinking.

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why do pedos become priests at a higher rate?
You're going to have to provide statistics that this is a fact. It's not. This sounds like wild speculation.

Furthermore, it assumes all priests become pedophiles while being priests. It was 2% of them that engaged in this behavior first of all. Second, they were pedophiles before they were priests. Pedophiles are more commonly found in professions where they can be in a position of trust with children. Some are family members too. It's higher amoung teachers fyi.

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because you have to give up marriage...sex with an adult female....family
You realize what you said only supports what I said, right?
No it doesn't. It's a common cliche by liberals....that lack of marriage is the cause.

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If priests COULD marry, there wouldnt be that problem....
False. It's just your opinion based on nothing.
If that were the case, then why do other religious denominations have the same percent of pedophile abuse?

You didn't read the thread did you?
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:17 AM   #84
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Okay, then don't go to a priest for a question you have about raising a child or dealing with your wife. Should we declare priest advice unconstitutional?
No, that law would actually be a violation of the constitution......and would be NULL AND VOID from the time of enactment
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:19 AM   #85
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No, that law would actually be a violation of the constitution......and would be NULL AND VOID from the time of enactment
So you don't have a problem with the legality of priest-therapy. You just want everyone to know that you're smarter than the dumbass that goes to a priest for advice on how to get along better with his wife.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:22 AM   #86
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Don't over generalize. It's not priests as a group. It was only 2% of priests. Also, Catholics have free-will to believe or not.
2% is a shit ton dude, you know how many priests there are? that means that only thousands of boys are getting raped.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:26 AM   #87
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False. It's just your opinion based on nothing.
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There really aren't any credible sources...Even the john jay report seems based on incomplete and unusable statistics........

Sex is a basic human need....when you deprive people of basic human needs weird shit happens....That is just my opinion...based on 'nothing' as you say.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:29 AM   #88
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So you don't have a problem with the legality of priest-therapy. You just want everyone to know that you're smarter than the dumbass that goes to a priest for advice on how to get along better with his wife.
Not at all....Not sure where u got that...I just actually feel bad for priests & their flock and think priests/nuns should be able to marry...I think it is a dumb idea to have a REQUIREMENT in a religion where the leaders CANT get married....

Especially since they are giving advice DAILY to people who are married, have kids, and families....and they have no ****ing clue what it is like.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:35 AM   #89
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the vatican is the biggest scam on earth and is the textbook example of why I hate religion.
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Old 05-22-2012, 12:41 AM   #90
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Don't over generalize. It's not priests as a group. It was only 2% of priests.
If you are talking about the John Jay report, I think:

1) it was 4%

2) it would have been much more , but like thousands of priests had died, so they werent counted

3) in many cases no one ever contacted the authorities, due to lack of evidence...so most likely that would drive the number somewhat higher.

4) that is going by their OWN data, and is an inherently bad way to design such a study.
I can try to link to the report but i am fallin ersleep
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