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Old 05-21-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate

Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate


Published May 21, 2012| FoxNews.com

Some of the most influential Catholic institutions in the country filed suit against the Obama administration Monday over the so-called contraception mandate, in one of the biggest coordinated legal challenges to the rule to date.

Claiming their "fundamental rights hang in the balance," a total of 43 plaintiffs filed a dozen separate federal lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the requirement. Among the organizations filing were the University of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of New York and The Catholic University of America.

The groups are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months ago softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

A statement from the University of Notre Dame said the requirement would still call on religious-affiliated groups to "facilitate" coverage "for services that violate the teachings of the Catholic Church."

"The federal mandate requires Notre Dame and similar religious organizations to provide in their insurance plans abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization procedures, which are contrary to Catholic teaching," the statement said.

Rev. John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, said in a message to the campus that the filing "is about the freedom of a religious organization to live its mission, and its significance goes well beyond any debate about contraceptives."

The contraception rule does include an exemption for religious organizations -- but that exemption does not cover many religious-affiliated organizations like schools and charities. Complaints about the narrowly tailored exemption prompted a stand-off between the Obama administration and religious groups earlier this year. As a compromise, the administration said insurers -- and not the religious-affiliated organizations themselves -- could be required to offer contraceptive coverage directly.

But many organizations were not satisfied with the plan. John Garvey, president of Catholic University, said in a statement Monday that "such a revision would not solve our moral dilemma." He argued that the cost of contraceptive coverage would still be "rolled into the cost" of a university insurance policy.

"In the end the university, its employees and its students will be forced to pay for the prescriptions and services we find objectionable," he said.

University of Notre Dame Law Prof. Richard Garnett said in a statement that the mandate could affect a range of religious institutions, including "schools, health care providers and social welfare agencies."

On a separate track, officials at a Florida Catholic university decided Monday to drop student health care coverage, becoming the second school this month to make that call. The decision at Ave Maria University was based in part on objections to the contraception rule, but also on projected increased premium costs tied to new rules in the federal health care overhaul.

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Old 05-21-2012, 11:43 PM   #91
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Not at all....Not sure where u got that...I just actually feel bad for priests & their flock and think priests/nuns should be able to marry...I think it is a dumb idea to have a REQUIREMENT in a religion where the leaders CANT get married....

Especially since they are giving advice DAILY to people who are married, have kids, and families....and they have no ****ing clue what it is like.
Why feel bad? They volunteered for it. It's not like they didn't know it going in. No, they were fully aware that they were given up the life of glamorous sex with a spouse before they made their vows.
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Old 05-21-2012, 11:45 PM   #92
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Why feel bad? They volunteered for it. It's not like they didn't know it going in. No, they were fully aware that they were given up the life of glamorous sex with a spouse before they made their vows.
I feel bad because you can't really give your best advice on any topic without a full knowledge of that topic...

Someone who hasnt married or doesnt have children probably wouldnt have a depth of knowledge(with regards to marriage & family) that someone who is married and had kids would, given the same education, training, religious studies etc....
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Old 05-22-2012, 05:37 AM   #93
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His reaction was a generality. Then extended to the religion's beliefs on top of it. When, I see equal condemnation of whole professions such as teachers, counselors and other denominations the I'll be convinced his reaction is not stemming from some anti-Catholic bigotry.
I was raised Catholic; and I still am one, though I am a "bad" catholic in that I don't agree with a fair amount of church doctrine.

However, the reason teachers and counselors don't get the same condemnation level as priests is they haven't claimed to possess infallible doctrine. Teachers and counselors do not tell you that you "owe" them donations in order to make yourself right with God. Teachers and counselors do not claim any special competence to determine God's will, nor do they demand the same level of deference that catholic clergy demand from the laity.

Consequently, when the same group of people then use their special position of trust to hide wrongdoers, well...it results in a special kind of backlash. THe biggest problem is not so much with the perpetrators (ANY large group will have perverts and weirdos that you cannot weed out), the problem is how the heirarchy shuffled these guys to new parishes and hoped everything would "blow over". One begins to wonder if maintaining a false perception of clerical purity was more important to Rome than protecting the well-being of children.

Then, you must remember that Priests and Bishops constantly talk about how Church philosophy and Catholic values are superior to mainstream mores. No one will get reamed more than the dude that constantly proclaims his moral superiority and criticizes everyone else when they fall down.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:12 AM   #94
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And in the next Papal election, I'm sure I will remember to seek out which faction is tougher on crime.
It really doesn't seem like any of them are "tough" on this subject.
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Old 05-22-2012, 03:40 PM   #95
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What is with this "defense of the actions?" This implies that you are going to throw out some random fact (say, Galileo was sentenced to house-arrest), and my only possible defense of the Church is by defending the sentence. You're setting this up in a way that is at best, shortsighted, and at worst, dishonest.
Lets start with: "Pope John Paul II Makes Unprecedented Apology For Sins of Catholic Church" "We forgive and we ask forgiveness." CNN's Jim Bittermann " And with that, he led church leaders and followers in sweeping confession, seeking repentance for sins that may have been committed over the past 2,000 years in the name of the church.

They fell into seven general categories of wrongs which include, without being too specific, everything from the Crusades to the Inquisition, the forced conversions, to sins against women and anti- Jewish acts. It was a first for the church, which has only rarely and only in specific instances confessed errors in the past"

Not listed is the rape of children, or the safe haven provided to those who committed the crimes.

He did in Nov 2001: According to reports cited by the U.S. weekly last spring, some priests and missionaries forced nuns to have sex with them and, in several instances, committed rape and obliged the victims to have abortions. The reports covered cases in 23 countries, including the United States, the Philippines, Ireland and Papua New Guinea. "The Vatican, in response to the articles, acknowledged that the problem existed and said an investigation was under way." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...3/MN172663.DTL
Only in the face of overwhelming evidence was this omission made.

VATICAN HIDING THOUSANDS OF ABUSE FILES.
"It has been revealed that the Vatican is currently hiding thousands of case files in relation to sex abuse cases, pedophilia and physical abuse cases implicating hundreds of priests and other church officials working within the Catholic Church.
The files, detailed to International Law Compliance Forum members by Vatican insiders as well as having come to light through intelligence sources, specifically detail cases whereby Vatican officials have deliberately moved offenders from parish to parish as to hide their activities, have interfered with proper processes of justice in a number of countries and have interfered with victims as well as case witnesses. Details have also emerged as to Church and Vatican official threatening victims, witnesses as well as various Government officials and even Government Ministers in various countries. The majority of these illegal concealment activities were conducted while the man who is currently the Pope, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was in charge of dealing with abuse cases and it is now known that the Vatican officials who now do Ratzinger’s job, also have a large number of files in relation to cases that have either been hidden or interfered with."
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After all the Pope is the Vicar of Christ! How dare I question the Catholic church??? Oh yeah this church has had its fangs removed, and now must play nice. In another time, pointing out the simple truth would seal my fate on the rack to have my soul cleansed.

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What is with this "defense of the actions?" This implies that you are going to throw out some random fact (say, Galileo was sentenced to house-arrest), and my only possible defense of the Church is by defending the sentence. You're setting this up in a way that is at best, shortsighted, and at worst, dishonest.
One has no need to travel back to 1633 to point to the flaws of this church. However for centuries it is has shown despicable actions. The arrogance of this church is reflective of your own arrogance. Quick correct my grammar as that is your only solid ground in this discussion~
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:30 PM   #96
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One has no need to travel back to 1633 to point to the flaws of this church. However for centuries it is has shown despicable actions. The arrogance of this church is reflective of your own arrogance. Quick correct my grammar as that is your only solid ground in this discussion~
Have I ever corrected your grammar, instead of addressing your complaints? I think your grammar is subpar, but I don't think I've ever focused on it as an element of my criticism towards your lack of knowledge on various topics.

Anyway, I asked you to give us your thoughts about the Church and education. You haven't done so, but you have posted a few blips of articles that didn't have anything to do with education.
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Old 05-22-2012, 07:38 PM   #97
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Have I ever corrected your grammar, instead of addressing your complaints? I think your grammar is subpar, but I don't think I've ever focused on it as an element of my criticism towards your lack of knowledge on various topics.

Anyway, I asked you to give us your thoughts about the Church and education. You haven't done so, but you have posted a few blips of articles that didn't have anything to do with education.
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Just because you wish to play cat and mouse Jensen does not mean I will play with you. My only stance on this subject is the disgraceful manner in which this church has behaved. I barely scratched the surface of the crimes committed by this church. You find my grammar subpar and I find your church the same~
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Old 05-22-2012, 08:34 PM   #99
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Once again fair enough. That said the record of this organization is as stained as any. It is late here on the coast. I will be heading to bed shortly. I am willing to review the "actions" of this church with you if you would like, starting tomorrow~
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Okay, you could start with education when you get the time. I look forward to reading your analysis.
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Oh you mean as they lost the power to rule with out challenge. They had to change, kicking and fighting. That development of education?
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Just because you wish to play cat and mouse Jensen does not mean I will play with you. My only stance on this subject is the disgraceful manner in which this church has behaved. I barely scratched the surface of the crimes committed by this church. You find my grammar subpar and I find your church the same~
Oh, how things change. Last night you were willing to go down the path of reviewing the Catholic Church in an honest, historical way. Tonight you just want to post your article and run away. Thanks for the great discussion.
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Oh, how things change. Last night you were willing to go down the path of reviewing the Catholic Church in an honest, historical way. Tonight you just want to post your article and run away. Thanks for the great discussion.
Whatever scooter I posted a few truthful facts. The history gets no better, in fact it only gets worse~
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Whatever scooter I posted a few truthful facts. The history gets no better, in fact it only gets worse~
I'm guessing you have no actual interest in talking about the Catholic Church and education, but perhaps you enjoyed pretending like you were interested in having an honest discussion. And then when pressed, the enjoyment ran out.
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I'm guessing you have no actual interest in talking about the Catholic Church and education, but perhaps you enjoyed pretending like you were interested in having an honest discussion. And then when pressed, the enjoyment ran out.
You have yet to even address the few things mentioned. Find someone else to play games with. You are not worth the effort~
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You have yet to even address the few things mentioned. Find someone else to play games with. You are not worth the effort~
I haven't addressed things? This is comedy. Yesterday, you were the one that volunteered to discuss the Catholic Church, I asked you to discuss the Catholic Church and education, you seemed to agree to it, and today, you refuse to do anything other than post your CNN/SF Gate/wordpress blog.

How about you actually discuss the things we agreed to discuss, before you start crying about how I haven't addressed your CNN/SF Gate/wordpress blog article?
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