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Old 05-21-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate

Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate


Published May 21, 2012| FoxNews.com

Some of the most influential Catholic institutions in the country filed suit against the Obama administration Monday over the so-called contraception mandate, in one of the biggest coordinated legal challenges to the rule to date.

Claiming their "fundamental rights hang in the balance," a total of 43 plaintiffs filed a dozen separate federal lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the requirement. Among the organizations filing were the University of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of New York and The Catholic University of America.

The groups are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months ago softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

A statement from the University of Notre Dame said the requirement would still call on religious-affiliated groups to "facilitate" coverage "for services that violate the teachings of the Catholic Church."

"The federal mandate requires Notre Dame and similar religious organizations to provide in their insurance plans abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization procedures, which are contrary to Catholic teaching," the statement said.

Rev. John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, said in a message to the campus that the filing "is about the freedom of a religious organization to live its mission, and its significance goes well beyond any debate about contraceptives."

The contraception rule does include an exemption for religious organizations -- but that exemption does not cover many religious-affiliated organizations like schools and charities. Complaints about the narrowly tailored exemption prompted a stand-off between the Obama administration and religious groups earlier this year. As a compromise, the administration said insurers -- and not the religious-affiliated organizations themselves -- could be required to offer contraceptive coverage directly.

But many organizations were not satisfied with the plan. John Garvey, president of Catholic University, said in a statement Monday that "such a revision would not solve our moral dilemma." He argued that the cost of contraceptive coverage would still be "rolled into the cost" of a university insurance policy.

"In the end the university, its employees and its students will be forced to pay for the prescriptions and services we find objectionable," he said.

University of Notre Dame Law Prof. Richard Garnett said in a statement that the mandate could affect a range of religious institutions, including "schools, health care providers and social welfare agencies."

On a separate track, officials at a Florida Catholic university decided Monday to drop student health care coverage, becoming the second school this month to make that call. The decision at Ave Maria University was based in part on objections to the contraception rule, but also on projected increased premium costs tied to new rules in the federal health care overhaul.

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Old 05-22-2012, 10:47 PM   #106
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Once again, birth control is cheap and plentiful in this country. Without insurance. Why does it have to be mandated into coverage?
I don't see what the big deal is.
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Old 05-22-2012, 11:06 PM   #107
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I don't see what the big deal is.
Does that mean you'd be fine with the idea of not requiring coverage for those sorts of things?
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Old 05-23-2012, 10:59 AM   #108
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I don't see what the big deal is.
What do you mean?
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Old 05-23-2012, 11:03 AM   #109
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Once again, birth control is cheap and plentiful in this country. Without insurance. Why does it have to be mandated into coverage?
I don't use birth control, and I haven't looked up the statistics to back this up, so let me just ask a question instead of making a claim. It's a question of pragmatism...

If it was proven in research that mandating it into coverage significantly reduced the number of unwanted pregnancies, how would you feel?
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Old 05-23-2012, 11:15 AM   #110
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Perhaps I should try to express myself more clearly. I believe that health insurance exists to lower the costs of medical care when it is needed. It's an agreement between the consumer, the medical provider and the insurance carrier to manage costs through a range. A policy is going to have a certain "floor" and "ceiling", so to speak. At the high end you have a sort of disaster relief that kicks in when the covered person needs major medical help. At the low end, coverage helps in those situations where the covered individual might otherwise be "nickel and dimed to death."

I understand that all three parties in the contract have to be able to act in their best interests. That's the nature of a good contract. So if a covered person can get medical needs met at a low cost, with very little bother, without involving the insurance carrier, everyone benefits.

I think that the initial doctor's visit to get the prescription written should be included in coverage. As far as I know those doctor's visits are covered in the same way that any other doctor's visits would be. I do not, however, see any benefit whatsoever in mandating that contraceptives be covered by insurance carriers when the contraception is very affordable.
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Old 05-23-2012, 11:18 AM   #111
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I don't use birth control, and I haven't looked up the statistics to back this up, so let me just ask a question instead of making a claim. It's a question of pragmatism...

If it was proven in research that mandating it into coverage significantly reduced the number of unwanted pregnancies, how would you feel?
Contraceptive prescriptions are filled at Wal Mart pharmacies for four dollars per thirty day supply. How could mandating coverage possibly reduce unwanted pregnancies any more than the already affordable price does?
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Old 05-23-2012, 11:20 AM   #112
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I would say that if someone couldn't afford the four dollars per month then they already qualify for programs that would get it to them for free.
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Old 05-23-2012, 12:03 PM   #113
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I was raised Catholic; and I still am one, though I am a "bad" catholic in that I don't agree with a fair amount of church doctrine.
I'm a member of alcoholics anonymous but I'm a "bad" member--- I don't attend meetings and I drink beer every day, and I don't agree with all the crap the cult teaches.
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Old 05-23-2012, 12:08 PM   #114
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Contraceptive prescriptions are filled at Wal Mart pharmacies for four dollars per thirty day supply. How could mandating coverage possibly reduce unwanted pregnancies any more than the already affordable price does?
You didn't answer the question.
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Old 05-23-2012, 12:10 PM   #115
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Ii took it to mean that if he lived in a country where the leader swept away evidence of wide spread child molestation that was done by the leaders around the country.....and the top leaders were involved in the hiding of evidence and the coverup of crimes...and not just the current leader or administration...but generations....and this problem was spread far and wide.......and the leaders were forbidden to marry or have normal sexual relations........then yes he might consider leaving....

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Who knows, maybe even your dad.

So why don't you just shut the f up and crawl back under your rock?
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Old 05-23-2012, 12:12 PM   #116
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You didn't answer the question.
Because I don't understand it. How would a study prove that mandating something that is already readily accessible going to help reduce unwanted pregnancies?
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Old 05-23-2012, 12:13 PM   #117
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I could scrutinize and investigate any organization and come with with the same percentage of incidences of child molestation and statutory rape. Heck, I could investigate your family. The next wedding you attend? Look around the reception party--- for every hundered people you see, at least 4 of them have molested a kid or ****ed a teenager.

Who knows, maybe even your dad.

So why don't you just shut the f up and crawl back under your rock?
Sounds like pawn hit pretty close to your target.
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I don't use birth control, and I haven't looked up the statistics to back this up, so let me just ask a question instead of making a claim. It's a question of pragmatism...

If it was proven in research that mandating it into coverage significantly reduced the number of unwanted pregnancies, how would you feel?

My God, man! What part of the argument don't you understand? You are talking about violating someones' constitutional rights.

When you feel your "research" has become more important than others' right to freely practice their religion, you have become the Perfect Liberal, worshiping the might and infallibility of the state...

I assume you are maneuvering for a spot at Dear Leader's table after the revolution?
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I could scrutinize and investigate any organization and come with with the same percentage of incidences of child molestation and statutory rape. Heck, I could investigate your family. The next wedding you attend? Look around the reception party--- for every hundered people you see, at least 4 of them have molested a kid or ****ed a teenager.

Who knows, maybe even your dad.

So why don't you just shut the f up and crawl back under your rock?
Excellent Post, especially the last line.
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I was raised Catholic; and I not one anymore....just in name. I'm really a protestor aka protestant.
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