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Old 05-21-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate

Catholic organizations across the country file suit against contraception mandate


Published May 21, 2012| FoxNews.com

Some of the most influential Catholic institutions in the country filed suit against the Obama administration Monday over the so-called contraception mandate, in one of the biggest coordinated legal challenges to the rule to date.

Claiming their "fundamental rights hang in the balance," a total of 43 plaintiffs filed a dozen separate federal lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of the requirement. Among the organizations filing were the University of Notre Dame, the Archdiocese of New York and The Catholic University of America.

The groups are objecting to the requirement from the federal health care overhaul that employers provide access to contraceptive care. The Obama administration several months ago softened its position on the mandate, but some religious organizations complained the administration did not go far enough to ensure the rule would not compel them to violate their religious beliefs.

A statement from the University of Notre Dame said the requirement would still call on religious-affiliated groups to "facilitate" coverage "for services that violate the teachings of the Catholic Church."

"The federal mandate requires Notre Dame and similar religious organizations to provide in their insurance plans abortion-inducing drugs, contraceptives and sterilization procedures, which are contrary to Catholic teaching," the statement said.

Rev. John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame, said in a message to the campus that the filing "is about the freedom of a religious organization to live its mission, and its significance goes well beyond any debate about contraceptives."

The contraception rule does include an exemption for religious organizations -- but that exemption does not cover many religious-affiliated organizations like schools and charities. Complaints about the narrowly tailored exemption prompted a stand-off between the Obama administration and religious groups earlier this year. As a compromise, the administration said insurers -- and not the religious-affiliated organizations themselves -- could be required to offer contraceptive coverage directly.

But many organizations were not satisfied with the plan. John Garvey, president of Catholic University, said in a statement Monday that "such a revision would not solve our moral dilemma." He argued that the cost of contraceptive coverage would still be "rolled into the cost" of a university insurance policy.

"In the end the university, its employees and its students will be forced to pay for the prescriptions and services we find objectionable," he said.

University of Notre Dame Law Prof. Richard Garnett said in a statement that the mandate could affect a range of religious institutions, including "schools, health care providers and social welfare agencies."

On a separate track, officials at a Florida Catholic university decided Monday to drop student health care coverage, becoming the second school this month to make that call. The decision at Ave Maria University was based in part on objections to the contraception rule, but also on projected increased premium costs tied to new rules in the federal health care overhaul.

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Old 05-23-2012, 01:00 PM   #121
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Because I don't understand it. How would a study prove that mandating something that is already readily accessible going to help reduce unwanted pregnancies?
It could compare states with a mandate against states that do not have a mandate, and see which states have a higher rate of unwanted pregnancy.

If it was proven that states with mandates have a significantly lower rate of unwanted pregnancy, how would you react?
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:19 PM   #122
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It could compare states with a mandate against states that do not have a mandate, and see which states have a higher rate of unwanted pregnancy.

If it was proven that states with mandates have a significantly lower rate of unwanted pregnancy, how would you react?
I would find the statistical variance interesting, and look closer at the available data.
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:21 PM   #123
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I would find the statistical variance interesting, and look closer at the available data.
I take it you're choosing to vote present.
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:22 PM   #124
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I take it you're choosing to vote present.
No, I'm choosing to be objective. I've already told you that I don't see the need for a mandate.
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:23 PM   #125
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No, I'm choosing to be objective. I've already told you that I don't see the need for a mandate.
And you refuse to entertain the idea of what you'd do if the research concluded benefits to mandating.

Not exactly objective....
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:23 PM   #126
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this would lead to less catholics in america. better nip this in the bud.
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Old 05-23-2012, 01:40 PM   #127
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And you refuse to entertain the idea of what you'd do if the research concluded benefits to mandating.

Not exactly objective....
I am trying to entertain it but you can't seem to create a hypothetical situation where it could even be remotely possible. What would be the benefits? It's already cheap. It's already accessible. Mandating coverage does not increase birth control education or awareness.
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Old 05-23-2012, 02:24 PM   #128
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I am trying to entertain it but you can't seem to create a hypothetical situation where it could even be remotely possible. What would be the benefits? It's already cheap. It's already accessible. Mandating coverage does not increase birth control education or awareness.
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Double talk, stick your fingers in your ears, and yell LA LA all you want Jensen. He touches lightly on the history of your church. They are facts, and debates will not change history~
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Double talk, stick your fingers in your ears, and yell LA LA all you want Jensen. He touches lightly on the history of your church. They are facts, and debates will not change history~
You don't want to debate any one of the things Hitchens talks about?
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You don't want to debate any one of the things Hitchens talks about?
Which one is false?
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Point out anything that is false. Play your word games if you wish. You are either brain washed or a fool if you defend any~
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Which one is false?
Some of them aren't true or false issues. At one point, Hitchens mentions the Crusades. Well, yes, the Crusades and the Catholic Church are inextricably intermixed. But what about the Crusades can history condemn as an embarrassing chapter for the Church? Do you actually know anything about the Crusades? Most people have no idea what they were other than in the broadest sense (a Christian-centric and led war).

Paradoxically, Hitchens then mentions the Church's inaction during Hitler's Final Solution (this is also a common criticism that has a warped reality of the Church's role in the modern era). Hitchens apparently would have liked a mass organization by the Church to fight the Nazis -- a role that the state, for obvious reasons, carries out today. Hitchens would prefer that the Church gather a modern day Church led crusade against the Nazis (we all would have liked that, but for reasons having to do with reality, it couldn't happen). There's no problem with that, except when you condemn in previous clause the church that once had the power of the state for going on a crusade against what society determined was evil.
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