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Old 05-24-2012, 10:03 PM  
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Watching the quarterbacks
Among the 3 quarterbacks on the roster, the guy who threw the ball best on Thursday was Brady Quinn. He appears to have solid mechanics in his drop and has smoothed out some rough edges that were visible in his motion going back to Notre Dame. Matt Cassel threw several nice passes, but he was high on his throws during much of the session. Ricky Stanzi was OK. @Iowa homers.

“I think they’re beginning to gain a command of the system and some of the checks that we have in place,” Crennel said. “They’re all doing well. Probably, Brady and Matt are a little ahead of Stanzi right now, but they’re all working at it. They’re a good group in that room, so we feel good about them.”
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:06 PM   #541
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Here is the deal. I had watched Orton a few times, but not enough to have a great opinion on him. When we signed him... I wasn't jumping for joy. And I did not expect much when he got the chance to start. Better than Palko? Yes. I did expect that much.

But even though I did not expect much, I was stunned at the things he could do that Cassel could not do.

Now you can defend your boy Cassel all you want. That is fine. I'm ready to move on. And I do not care if it is Quinn or Stanzi... and those are our only two options.

Don't care if it is Quinn. Don't care if it Stanzi. I just know I have seen enough of Cassel.

Can we win games with Cassel? Sure. But only if the running game is carrying him. I have posted the 3-16 stats many times these past few months. They are what they are. Only way we win with Cassel is running game first. Not that that is a bad plan... I just want another option if Plan A is not working. Plan B is 3-16, and that is not good enough for me.

Can Quinn or Stanzi improve upon that? I have no ****ing clue. Nor do you. But I for one am ready to find out.
Again. You act as though I am defending Cassel. I'm not. I'm pointing out that Orton is the same guy, + a deepball, and - 3rd down and redzone efficiency...

You're right, Orton could do things Cassel couldn't, throw the ball over 30 yds. Fact is, Cassel could punch the ball into the endzone and convert 3rd downs better. Which is better?

Orton is no better than the status quo, actually, worse. It'd take longer to rid the team of Orton than it will Cassel.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:11 PM   #542
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Again. You act as though I am defending Cassel. I'm not. I'm pointing out that Orton is the same guy, + a deepball, and - 3rd down and redzone efficiency...

You're right, Orton could do things Cassel couldn't, throw the ball over 30 yds. Fact is, Cassel could punch the ball into the endzone and convert 3rd downs better. Which is better?

Orton is no better than the status quo, actually, worse. It'd take longer to rid the team of Orton than it will Cassel.
Agreed.

And as for Quinn and Stanzi, I too want to know what they are. I don't think Quinn is better than Cassel, Stanzi is an unknown. We won't see either unless Cassel is injured this year.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:12 PM   #543
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Agreed.

And as for Quinn and Stanzi, I too want to know what they are. I don't think Quinn is better than Cassel, Stanzi is an unknown. We won't see either unless Cassel is injured this year.
How much crappage do you think Cassel has to do in his pants before we see one of the two?
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:14 PM   #544
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:19 PM   #545
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they got him didnt they?
You're confusing a team that tried and failed with a team that laid down and waved the white flag. They were a flawed team that a prime Manning helped mask. Shit teams with shit QB's lose often in this league, but it doesn't mean they didn't try.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:20 PM   #546
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How much crappage do you think Cassel has to do in his pants before we see one of the two?
10,000 diapers full.

No, he might be on a short leash, if the team is losing and Cassel is throwing a couple picks a game, I think he'd get yanked.

But I don't see than happening. I think this season will be closer to 2010 for Cassel, unless Charles isn't healthy and things get really ugly with Bowe.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:22 PM   #547
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Again. You act as though I am defending Cassel. I'm not. I'm pointing out that Orton is the same guy, + a deepball, and - 3rd down and redzone efficiency...

You're right, Orton could do things Cassel couldn't, throw the ball over 30 yds. Fact is, Cassel could punch the ball into the endzone and convert 3rd downs better. Which is better?

Orton is no better than the status quo, actually, worse. It'd take longer to rid the team of Orton than it will Cassel.
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I disagree and used Orton as an exapmle. Didn't say Orton was Aaron Rodgers... a QB by the way that Orton happened to beat in his first game as QB here. Cassel has not beat a winning team in all his time here.

And again... I love the running game. Cassel must have that to win. That is a given... with stats to back it up.

Now I am not sure if Quinn and Stanzi are both bums or not. Seen to many here say Stanzi couldn't even beat out Palko... therefore he is a bum. And I know Quinns track record as well. I am just not ready to classify him as a bum either... although he could be.

Bottom line is though that for me... I am not ready to classify either of those two as bums. Cassel... you will get no arguement from me on that issue.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:23 PM   #548
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You're confusing a team that tried and failed with a team that laid down and waved the white flag. They were a flawed team that a prime Manning helped mask. Shit teams with shit QB's lose often in this league, but it doesn't mean they didn't try.
i bet the FO and management were glad they were flawed, i mean look at the prize they were awarded.
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i bet the FO and management were glad they were flawed, i mean look at the prize they were awarded.
Yep. They're gonna be bad this year too. They have what might be a franchise QB with very little around him, and most of the coaches and FO staff won't be here to enjoy if and or when Luck turns the team around. I'm sure they'd rather have gone to the playoffs last year than draft Luck.
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agreed. they'll be bad this year but what a guy to build a team around.
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I disagree and used Orton as an exapmle. Didn't say Orton was Aaron Rodgers... a QB by the way that Orton happened to beat in his first game as QB here. Cassel has not beat a winning team in all his time here.

And again... I love the running game. Cassel must have that to win. That is a given... with stats to back it up.

Now I am not sure if Quinn and Stanzi are both bums or not. Seen to many here say Stanzi couldn't even beat out Palko... therefore he is a bum. And I know Quinns track record as well. I am just not ready to classify him as a bum either... although he could be.

Bottom line is though that for me... I am not ready to classify either of those two as bums. Cassel... you will get no arguement from me on that issue.
And speaking of the run game and the Colts game....didn't Jackie Battle of all people end up tearing it up against the Colts last season?
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agreed. they'll be bad this year but what a guy to build a team around.
But like I said, the FO and coaches would have rather won last year.
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I think that Brady only has about a 20% chance of taking this job (even if Casshole is injured for 6+ weeks) but the thought of a legit NFL arm/build under center makes me want to buy that lottery ticket...
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But like I said, the FO and coaches would have rather won last year.
you're prolly right.
but if the prize wasn't so great yeah...with Luck tho, i'm not so sure.
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I think that Brady only has about a 20% chance of taking this job (even if Casshole is injured for 6+ weeks).
I'm afraid you are wrong.

Things look suspiciously like this:

Cassel = Pioli's prince

Quinn = Crennel's prince

Stanzi = Red headed bastard son whose only chance to play is if both Cassel and Quinn are injured in the same game.
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