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Old 05-24-2012, 10:03 PM  
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Among the 3 quarterbacks on the roster, the guy who threw the ball best on Thursday was Brady Quinn. He appears to have solid mechanics in his drop and has smoothed out some rough edges that were visible in his motion going back to Notre Dame. Matt Cassel threw several nice passes, but he was high on his throws during much of the session. Ricky Stanzi was OK. @Iowa homers.

“I think they’re beginning to gain a command of the system and some of the checks that we have in place,” Crennel said. “They’re all doing well. Probably, Brady and Matt are a little ahead of Stanzi right now, but they’re all working at it. They’re a good group in that room, so we feel good about them.”
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:19 PM   #586
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Strong arm? Then why are all of his passes outside the numbers in the dirt?
prolly the same mechanics that makes Matt's passes go end over end.
something thats worth fixing since he's much younger than Castle and a high draft pick,
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:20 PM   #587
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:24 PM   #588
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Insanity - Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Starting Cassel every week is insane.
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:25 PM   #589
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:34 PM   #595
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Cassel teams have been better than Orton's on 3rd down in 3 out of the past 4 years. Orton led teams have been ranked higher than 20th in 3rd down % only ONCE in his career.

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Nice comparison. I bet one of those 3 years was 2008 when Cassel was able to take over the best offense in NFL history one offseason removed and playing an easy schedule.

I am also willing to bet another one of those 3 years was 2010 when Cassel was blessed with the number 1 ranked rushing game ( And still only managed to provide us with the 3rd worst ranked passing offense despite all the teams stacking the box against the rush ), a decent defense and of course the magic ingredient to any appearance of Cassel standing over another QB in the easy schedule.

That stat is really just too broad to be thrown around. What were the surrounding casts of each player in that year? How many of the 3rd down conversions were by run or pass? How many 3rd down attempts were there ( Is Orton possibly doing more on 1st and 2nd down to help prevent his team even reaching 3rd downs? ), what defenses were these 3rd down attempts against?
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:48 PM   #596
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WOW! You too! I really hate seeing posters I respect in this light... You argued for a guy you know nothing of?

The team got better when Romeo Crennel took over, not when Orton took over, get it right.
The passing game got better when Orton took over. Or did Crennel and his defensive genius somehow get credited for that too in support of your argument? With how our rushing game was in shambles due to Charles injury, Jones age, Mccluster being forced to play more touches than he was built for we needed our passing game to step up. It sure didn't with Cassel.

Yes Orton had his mistakes but the guy was playing with an all new team and coming off an injury at the tail end of a season that featured 2 playoff teams and 1 8-8 team. The fact is he was able to make proper changes at the line ( Something I had to laugh at because even Palko was better at reading plays at the line than Cassel, not much of anything else but he was better than Cassel at that ), and was able to get our offense to actually sustain more drives per game than we had with Cassel all year. I guarantee if you gave Orton a full season with this offense it would come out looking better than Cassel any day of the week. Would it be good enough? Probably not but I would bet my bottom dollar that this team had a chance to go farther with Orton than it did with Cassel.

I get it that Orton is gone and I am over it but the facts remain the same. Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, and Matt Flynn would have better promise than the loser.
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:51 PM   #597
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Kinda like Orton during the last 3 games of the season huh...
Not really. We played Green Bay, Oakland and Denver. What teams did Cassel play against?
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:58 PM   #598
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Yeah, except that he can't score TDs and sucks on 3rd down and throws more INTs. But atleast he gets yards! That's what really wins games!
Not really. It is called consistency and that is something Cassel will never have. Cassel threw more picks in 2009 than Orton ever did in a single season.

But I guess you do tend to throw a few more picks when you consistently attempt to pass the ball over 5 yards or throw to someone other than your first option or your dumpoff option.

You might want to look at their numbers against each other before making a conclusion.

I get it that Orton is not the answer here long term or preferably even longer than a season but Cassel is completely intolerable and every minute that he plays is a minute of one of our now many talented players careers.
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:11 PM   #599
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Not really. We played Green Bay, Oakland and Denver. What teams did Cassel play against?
Yes, Orton played the Packers, the worst pass defense and overall defense in the league. Nevermind the fact that the defense was able to relegate Rodgers to the sidelines. Or that the offensive coordinator didn't have to clear his play selection with someone first, giving Orton more time for pre-snap reads than any other QB all year.
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Yes, Orton played the Packers, the worst pass defense and overall defense in the league. Nevermind the fact that the defense was able to relegate Rodgers to the sidelines. Or that the offensive coordinator didn't have to clear his play selection with someone first, giving Orton more time for pre-snap reads than any other QB all year.
Packers had the worst D last yr?
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