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Old 06-12-2012, 11:45 AM  
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Poe.

He shows up to the Combine at 346 lbs.

Looking like this.



He shows up to OTAs.

Looking like this.



He does not, unless I've completely missed the boat here, have a contract.

He is not yet getting paid.

But he is working his ****ing ass off at practice.

And is STAYING AFTER TO WORK ON TECHNIQUE.

While NOT getting paid for it.

Let's keep the Poe train going. Holy geez, I am really loving this kid.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:53 PM   #31
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People need to stop with being disappointed by Dorsey and Jackson poor sack numbers, or poor pass rush if you prefer.

Do you realize this Chiefs defense with Dorsey and Jackson starting all 16 games finished 6th in the league in pass defense despite having no Eric Berry back there and a passrusher like Justin Houston who wasn't a factor early on.
Did you see those games against Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady (without Eric Berry I remember you)?

Let's hope Dontari Poe can collapse the pocket regularly, if not this year next year, but I definitly think Dorsey and Jackson are a good part of the reason why this defense might already be elite.

I really hope the Chiefs resign Dorsey, he is an underrated player, not a star but real solid.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:56 PM   #32
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People need to stop with being disappointed by Dorsey and Jackson poor sack numbers, or poor pass rush if you prefer.

Do you realize this Chiefs defense with Dorsey and Jackson starting all 16 games finished 6th in the league in pass defense despite having no Eric Berry back there and a passrusher like Justin Houston who wasn't a factor early on.
Did you see those games against Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady (without Eric Berry I remember you)?

Let's hope Dontari Poe can collapse the pocket regularly, if not this year next year, but I definitly think Dorsey and Jackson are a good part of the reason why this defense might already be elite.

I really hope the Chiefs resign Dorsey, he is an underrated player, not a star but real solid.
Considering Dorsey and Jackson come out on obvious passing downs, and that the Chiefs were near the bottom in total sacks, ima say that Jackson and Dorsey DIDN'T have a large part in that.

Tying up blockers and stopping the run is not their only job. If this Defense is going to take the next step forward to ELITE status, they have to get more production out of their DE's.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:57 PM   #33
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This is a misconception. Their PRIMARY job is to tie up blockers, not their only job, which they do a good job at. But they also need to get after the QB, which they fail miserably at.
We'll just agree to disagree on this, either way I think they'll be seen in a different light if Poe pans out.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:58 PM   #34
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We'll just agree to disagree on this, either way I think they'll be seen in a different light if Poe pans out.
I don't see what Poe is going to do for them. They're not getting push in 1vs1 situations. Poe isn't going to change that.

The guys who will benefit from Poe are the LBers.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:59 PM   #35
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They do their jobs already. Their jobs are to stuff the run and occupy blockers so that Hali, Houston, DJ, Berry etc.... can get to the QB

People will think differently about Dorsey and TJ if Poe pans out in the middle, and I think he'll rape right out of the gate.
No on passing downs they need to be getting to the QB asap. That's there job. Getting penatration & getting double teamed is part of it. There lacking of sacks and getting to the QB is not acceptable, especially at the draft spot they were taken.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:59 PM   #36
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Aren't they pretty much locked in to the basic parameters of the contract? I honestly don't know, but I thought that was one of the features of the new CBA.
I think the biggest variable is the amount guarenteed.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:00 PM   #37
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:02 PM   #38
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No on passing downs they need to be getting to the QB asap. That's there job. Getting penatration & getting double teamed is part of it. There lacking of sacks and getting to the QB is not acceptable, especially at the draft spot they were taken.
IF the nt isn't drawing double teams the ends are. Go Chiefs DJ gif evidences what I'm saying pretty clearly.

I'm not saying there doesn't need to be improvement from both Dorsey and TJ regarding pass rush but we've seen improvement there with good nt play and both players are assending imo.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:02 PM   #39
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Considering Dorsey and Jackson come out on obvious passing downs, and that the Chiefs were near the bottom in total sacks, ima say that Jackson and Dorsey DIDN'T have a large part in that.

Tying up blockers and stopping the run is not their only job. If this Defense is going to take the next step forward to ELITE status, they have to get more production out of their DE's.
Whatever if we have a rotation at DEs... Do you deny that the Chiefs pass defence was elite in the second half of last season?

It's clear to me that Dorsey and Jackson's primary job is to stop the run, which they have proved to be great at. I wish they woud give us a bit more passrush but I don't expect it to happen and with the rise of Justin Houston, Allen Bailey and hopefully a decent rookie season by Poe, why are you so concerned by Dorsey and Jackson pass rush?

Between Hali, Houston, Bailey, maybe Poe and Berry and Arenas as great DB passrushers, the passrush will be fine my friend, do not worry.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:35 PM   #42
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:47 PM   #44
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Whatever if we have a rotation at DEs... Do you deny that the Chiefs pass defence was elite in the second half of last season?

It's clear to me that Dorsey and Jackson's primary job is to stop the run, which they have proved to be great at. I wish they woud give us a bit more passrush but I don't expect it to happen and with the rise of Justin Houston, Allen Bailey and hopefully a decent rookie season by Poe, why are you so concerned by Dorsey and Jackson pass rush?

Between Hali, Houston, Bailey, maybe Poe and Berry and Arenas as great DB passrushers, the passrush will be fine my friend, do not worry.
There is a lot of cause to be concerned about the pass rush. They were tied for 3rd worst in the league last season.

Dorsey and Jackson combined for a whopping ONE sack the ENTIRE season. That is pathetic.

So lets go with what you've dreamed up though.

Hali continues to be Hali and gets 12-14 Sacks.

Houston Continue where he left off and get 8-10 Sacks.

Dorsey and Jackson continue Being Dorsey and Jackson: 1 Sack

The DB's rushing the QB thing is a bit of a reach, but we'll go with it.

Arenas: 2 Sacks

Berry: 2 Sacks

Now lets say we get about 10 sacks from everywhere else (which is what we got last year) : That would put us at 34 Sacks on the season.

We will have improved from 29th int the league to about 20th.

Not good enough.

BUT

If Dorsey and Jackson do what a good 34 DE would do...Produce 4-5 Sacks each on the season, then we'd be top 10.

Or....close to Elite.

Point?

Dorsey and Jackson producing a combined 1 sack per season isn't going to cut it.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:54 PM   #45
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Thank you Detoxing, that's the kind of point I was trying to make out of my questions. I havn't fealt like they've played good enough especially on passing downs. This year they best be getting at the QB. Poes job is collaps the inside, but he is too young & wet behind the ears to get his technique down to be that effective for his first year so we got to count on Dorsey & T Jack to really get after the QB. We should be constructive critisism for there play on the field imo & not just say that's good enough, it's not.
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