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Old 06-12-2012, 12:21 PM  
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Romney outlines plan to make health-care system like ‘consumer market’



ORLANDO – As the Supreme Court prepares to rule on the constitutionality of President Obama’s health-care overhaul, Mitt Romney laid out an alternative on Tuesday that would make the health insurance system more like a “consumer market.”

Addressing supporters in Orlando, Romney fiercely attacked what he and other Republicans have labeled “Obamacare.” The presumptive GOP presidential nominee said that if the Supreme Court does not overturn the law in full, he would work to repeal whatever remains of it on his first day as president by granting a waiver to all 50 states to opt out of the law’s restrictions.

Romney likened the health-care system under the Affordable Care Act to “a big government-managed utility” and argued that the law is casting a dark cloud over the nation’s anemic economic recovery.

“It’s not only bad policy and bad for middle-income families and bad for small business, it’s simply unaffordable,” Romney said. “And so, the right course for us is to make sure that the next president of the United States repeals Obamacare and replaces Obamacare.”

The Obama campaign hit back at Romney’s policy view in a statement Tuesday: “This morning, Mitt Romney promised that if he’s elected, insurance companies will be able to discriminate against Americans with pre-existing conditions, charge women higher premiums than they charge men for the same coverage, and kick young adults off their parents’ plans when they graduate high school or college. . . . For too long, American families have faced a choice between going bankrupt to afford the care they need or going without that care at all, and Mitt Romney wants to take us back to that time.”

Romney first laid out a plan to replace the health-care law in a speech in Michigan last spring before he formally launched his campaign. But he avoided detailed discussions of health care during the Republican primaries, partly because the Massachusetts law he championed and signed as governor is so similar to the federal law and drew sharp criticism from many conservatives in his party.

With Tuesday’s speech, delivered in a warehouse here, in front of a banner reading “Repeal & Replace Obamacare,” Romney for the first time since the Michigan speech detailed some of his health-care-policy positions.

Romney said his top priority is to care for the nation’s uninsured, but that he would make states responsible for providing that service. Romney said he would divert federal Medicaid dollars, as well as other funding, to state governments to help them cover uninsured residents.

“I believe that states have responsibility to care for people in the way they feel best,” Romney said. “It’s important for us, in my view, to make sure that every American has access to good health care.”

Romney said he wants to make the nation’s health-care system more like a consumer market, likening it to the tire, automobile and air-filter markets that he said keep costs down and quality up. To do so, he said, he would allow individuals and small businesses to buy insurance coverage with the same tax advantage that larger businesses enjoy and to purchase insurance across state lines or join organizations to give them bargaining power with insurers.

“We can get health care to act more like a consumer market, and if we do that and we stop making it like a big government-managed utility, we’re going to see better prices, lower costs and better care,” Romney said. “It’s happened everywhere we’ve applied consumer-market principles. Free enterprise is the way America works. We need to apply that to health care.”

Romney also said his plan would help cover people with preexisting conditions, one of the more popular components of Obama’s law.

“Let’s say someone has been continuously insured and they develop a serious condition, and let’s say they lose their job or they change jobs, they move and they go to a new place,” Romney said. “I don’t want them to be denied insurance because they’ve got some preexisting condition.”

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Ya, gov't healthcare should be like a tire store

I know several medical doctors. They don't turn people away for being unable to pay. Insurance companies do on a regular basis. No pay -- "NO SERVICE! CANCELLED!".

As I have stated previously, my position re healthcare is that the current system is a safety net for those disadvantaged or in a pinch, that need a helping hand getting back up, or it used to be.

We already pay into this (on a socialist level) and have for as long as any of us have been alive. But, to mandate a "system for all" is against the foundations of what made america a great country and it has already undermined a free market.

Doesn't matter which neo socialist militant party americans belong to and vote into office -- and that includes the other 535 seat of the house, the end game is going to be achieved. Any opposition is futile without force.

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Old 06-12-2012, 02:14 PM   #2
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So you approve of the haphazard socialist system we currently have where responsible people who pay for insurance pay higher premiums to cover those who don't have it, including those who could afford to cover themselves but choose not to, but you don't approve of a more organized, above-board system (also socialist) where everyone who is able to provide for themselves is called on to do so?
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:54 PM   #3
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So you approve of the haphazard socialist system we currently have where responsible people who pay for insurance pay higher premiums to cover those who don't have it, including those who could afford to cover themselves but choose not to, but you don't approve of a more organized, above-board system (also socialist) where everyone who is able to provide for themselves is called on to do so?
NO. Single payer is my preferred option.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:57 PM   #4
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WTF does the OP even mean?

Insurance companies turn away people who can't pay? Turn them away from what?
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:31 PM   #5
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NO. Single payer is my preferred option.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:45 PM   #6
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WTF does the OP even mean?

Insurance companies turn away people who can't pay? Turn them away from what?
If you can't pay the premium they don't cover you, I imagine.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:09 PM   #7
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If you can't pay the premium they don't cover you, I imagine.
For some 60 million americans, your "imagination" is correct. While the middle get slowly but surely chissled to zero, the rich seek "medical services" in unregulated "hellholes" such as Thailand. You are being lied to.

And so, my answer is no -- I do not favor regulation, in fact, just the opposite.

I would rather choose my doctor than to have some political schlub choose one for me. Thank you but no thank you.

Free market still has regulation, but it is not exclusive to a certain part of the market.

If a tire company puts out crap tires that kill (ford motor) then hey, there are liability regs in place to correct that. The same should be for all industries.

Instead, these crooks have priced good medicine out of the reach of many, perhaps most americans.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:20 PM   #8
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For some 60 million americans, your "imagination" is correct. While the middle get slowly but surely chissled to zero, the rich seek "medical services" in unregulated "hellholes" such as Thailand. You are being lied to.

And so, my answer is no -- I do not favor regulation, in fact, just the opposite.

I would rather choose my doctor than to have some political schlub choose one for me. Thank you but no thank you.

Free market still has regulation, but it is not exclusive to a certain part of the market.

If a tire company puts out crap tires that kill (ford motor) then hey, there are liability regs in place to correct that. The same should be for all industries.

Instead, these crooks have priced good medicine out of the reach of many, perhaps most americans.
Didn't you write this:

"Insurance companies do [turn people way] on a regular basis. No pay -- "NO SERVICE! CANCELLED!".

I thought I was agreeing with you.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:25 PM   #9
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Didn't you write this:

"Insurance companies do [turn people way] on a regular basis. No pay -- "NO SERVICE! CANCELLED!".

I thought I was agreeing with you.
and I used your quote to make more points
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:00 PM   #10
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WTF does the OP even mean?

Insurance companies turn away people who can't pay? Turn them away from what?
I opened it thinking it was another Sandusky thread.
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