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Old 07-05-2012, 07:30 PM  
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"Voter ID ... is going to allow Romney to win Pennsylvania."

So sayeth PA's House majority leader.



http://www.politicspa.com/turzai-vot...-win-pa/37153/

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House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R-Allegheny) suggested that the House’s end game in passing the Voter ID law was to benefit the GOP politically.

“We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years,” said Turzai in a speech to committee members Saturday. He mentioned the law among a laundry list of accomplishments made by the GOP-run legislature.

“Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

The statement drew a loud round of applause from the audience. It also struck a nerve among critics, who called it an admission that they passed the bill to make it harder for Democrats to vote — and not to prevent voter fraud as the legislators claimed.
So how's that going for you, Pennsylvania Republicans?

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Nearly 10 percent of Pennsylvania’s registered voters do not have photo identification cards from the state transportation department and could be ineligible to vote in November under the state’s new Republican-backed voter ID law.

The Pennsylvania Department of State reported Tuesday that more than 758,000 registered voters lack a standard driver’s license or a non-driver photo ID. That’s 9.2 percent of the state’s 8.2 million voters.
Onward, right?

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In Philadelphia, where Democrats outnumber Republicans by about 6-1, 18 percent of the city’s registered voters do not have the state photo ID, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported.
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To win the state, Democratic candidates traditionally must pile up big margins of victory in Philadelphia to offset Republican vote totals elsewhere in the state.
Makes perfect sense, since voter fraud has turned out to be SUCH a HUGE problem in this country.

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The Republican-led legislature approved the measure in March, and Republican Gov. Tom Corbett signed it into law.
Nothing disingenuous here.

Just a coincidence it's an election year.

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This year, 32 states introduced voter ID legislation, either new proposals or amendments to strengthen existing laws.
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supporters called [it] an effort to crack down on voter fraud. Opponents said the legislation was an attempt to disenfranchise minority voters.
Not even disenfranchising voters is off the table.

Political brinksmanship. To the nth degree.
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:36 PM   #2
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So by eliminating voter fraud, a Republican has a chance to win PA?

Great!
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:40 PM   #3
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And why can't they get an ID between now and November?
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:43 PM   #4
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So by eliminating voter fraud, a Republican has a chance to win PA?

Great!
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:47 PM   #5
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How come only Democrats don't have an id?
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:48 PM   #6
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Asking for a photo ID is sure as hell not too much to ask for someone to vote. You need that much to cash a check, and more than that to go to Disney World
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:55 PM   #7
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Maybe if we had purchased a national voter ID system instead of blowing that money on green energy for Obama's bundlers this wouldn't be an issue.
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:56 PM   #8
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How come only Democrats don't have an id?
A Democrat needs to rake it in with Philadelphia for a chance to win in Pennsylvania.
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:57 PM   #9
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A Democrat needs to rake it in with Philadelphia for a chance to win in Pennsylvania.
Yeah cause that whole photo ID thing is so tricky~
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:58 PM   #10
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Asking for a photo ID is sure as hell not too much to ask for someone to vote.
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Yeah cause that whole photo ID thing is so tricky~
Beside the point.

The voter registration laws we have now largely wipe out fraud. The last serious statistic I read is that fraud comprises something like .004% of the vote in a bad year.

To attack that .004%, you're placing extra electoral burdens on 10% of the population, potentially disenfranchising a few hundred thousand people.

If you want to do that, you need to propose why the collateral damage (and every reasonable person knows there will be collateral damage) is worth it.

The point is, it's not worth it. And this is a cynical ploy.
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:59 PM   #11
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How come only Democrats don't have an id?
If you were a Democrat would you want anyone to really know who you are?
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:03 PM   #12
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Beside the point.

The voter registration laws we have now largely wipe out fraud. The last serious statistic I read is that fraud comprises something like .004% of the vote in a bad year.

To attack that .004%, you're placing extra electoral burdens on 10% of the population, potentially disenfranchising a few hundred thousand people.

If you want to do that, you need to propose why the collateral damage (and every reasonable person knows there will be collateral damage) is worth it.

The point is, it's not worth it. And this is a cynical ploy.
Again asking for a photo ID is not too much. If someone cannot manage that simple task, they do not deserve to vote~
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:07 PM   #13
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Photo ID to vote is COMPLETELY reasonable.

BUT this law needs to have a provision for paying for that. If not, the $13.50 id fee could be construed as a Poll Tax. I haven't read the law so I'm not sure of the details.. but as long as they are willing to waive the ID fee.. there is no reason people shouldn't have to have one to vote.
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:10 PM   #14
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Photo ID to vote is COMPLETELY reasonable.

BUT this law needs to have a provision for paying for that. If not, the $13.50 id fee could be construed as a Poll Tax. I haven't read the law so I'm not sure of the details.. but as long as they are willing to waive the ID fee.. there is no reason people shouldn't have to have one to vote.
I disagree, possessing a photo ID is not something that needs to be subsidized IMO~
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Everybody has to buy insurance but we can't require someone spend a few bucks for an ID?
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