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Old 07-20-2012, 09:50 AM  
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Gun Control

We have all heard about what happened in Aurora, Co, and I think that Gun Control is going to be a huge topic in the following months.


What measures need to be taken? Do you have any ideas that will help prevent this kind of thing from happening again as it pertains to guns?
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Old 07-25-2012, 08:50 PM   #421
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Is there any thruth to this stat going around?

In one year, people used Guns to murder 35 in Australia, 39 in England and Wales, 194 in Germany, 200 in Canada, and 9,484 in the United States
well damn, those canadians are violent suckers...
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:30 PM   #422
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Is there any thruth to this stat going around?

In one year, people used Guns to murder 35 in Australia, 39 in England and Wales, 194 in Germany, 200 in Canada, and 9,484 in the United States
Well, population makes a big difference...

Do these numbers shock you?

Number of vehicle fatalities per latest year:

US: 33,808
Aus: 1,291
UK: 2,222
GER: 3,657
CAN: 2,767

Should we demand government action because of the stark difference in those numbers as well? Clearly that shows that the US is simply murder on the highways and we need government regulation....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/re...h036e-5883.htm
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:34 PM   #423
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Well, population makes a big difference...

Do these numbers shock you?

Number of vehicle fatalities per latest year:

US: 33,808
Aus: 1,291
UK: 2,222
GER: 3,657
CAN: 2,767

Should we demand government action because of the stark difference in those numbers as well? Clearly that shows that the US is simply murder on the highways and we need government regulation....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/re...h036e-5883.htm
That's it. Close the ****ing highways!!!
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:36 PM   #424
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That's it. Close the ****ing highways!!!
Ban all vehicles!
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:37 PM   #425
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Well, population makes a big difference...

Do these numbers shock you?

Number of vehicle fatalities per latest year:

US: 33,808
Aus: 1,291
UK: 2,222
GER: 3,657
CAN: 2,767

Should we demand government action because of the stark difference in those numbers as well? Clearly that shows that the US is simply murder on the highways and we need government regulation....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/re...h036e-5883.htm
Thats just proof that Americans are better shots than drivers.

Too soon?
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:48 PM   #426
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Thats just proof that Americans are better shots than drivers.

Too soon?
.... I'll have to get stats on shooting while driving too... we gotta be killing that..

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Old 07-26-2012, 06:38 AM   #427
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Obama urges tighter background checks on gun buyers after Aurora massacre

By Oliver Knox


In his broadest remarks on gun control yet in the aftermath of the mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater, President Barack Obama called late Wednesday for tougher background checks designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.

"A lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals -- that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities," the president, who has called for reimposing the Assault Weapons Ban, said in a speech to the National Urban League.

"I believe the majority of gun owners would agree that we should do everything possible to prevent criminals and fugitives from purchasing weapons; that we should check someone's criminal record before they can check out a gun seller; that a mentally unbalanced individual should not be able to get his hands on a gun so easily," he said. "These steps shouldn't be controversial. They should be common sense."

But Obama also offered a nod to the difficult politics of gun control, portraying himself as a believer in the individual right to bear arms, and acknowledging that calls to action after an incident like the one in Aurora often fade.

"When there is an extraordinarily heartbreaking tragedy like the one we saw, there's always an outcry immediately after for action. And there's talk of new reforms, and there's talk of new legislation," Obama said in his speech. "And too often, those efforts are defeated by politics and by lobbying and eventually by the pull of our collective attention elsewhere."

"And I, like most Americans, believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms. And we recognize the traditions of gun ownership that passed on from generation to generation -— that hunting and shooting are part of a cherished national heritage," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/o...033815400.html
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Old 07-26-2012, 06:40 AM   #428
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I agree with everything he said.

The stupid thing is that everything he wants to do when comes to the law already exists.

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Old 07-26-2012, 07:37 AM   #429
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Originally Posted by KC Fish View Post
Well, population makes a big difference...

Do these numbers shock you?

Number of vehicle fatalities per latest year:

US: 33,808
Aus: 1,291
UK: 2,222
GER: 3,657
CAN: 2,767

Should we demand government action because of the stark difference in those numbers as well? Clearly that shows that the US is simply murder on the highways and we need government regulation....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/re...h036e-5883.htm
The US has 3.4x more people than Aus, UK, Ger, and Can combined (which combined had 468 murders via guns). So taking their combined 468 murders and multiplying it by 3.4 you get 1,591 vs 9,484.

This doesn't take into account the additional 680 accidental deaths in the US via guns, nor the more than 1,550 injuries sustained by accidental shootings. Most disturbing to me is the 5 children on an average day that are killed or injured accidentally by a handgun.
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The US has 3.4x more people than Aus, UK, Ger, and Can combined (which combined had 468 murders via guns). So taking their combined 468 murders and multiplying it by 3.4 you get 1,591 vs 9,484.

This doesn't take into account the additional 680 accidental deaths in the US via guns, nor the more than 1,550 injuries sustained by accidental shootings. Most disturbing to me is the 5 children on an average day that are killed or injured accidentally by a handgun.
Good thing there are over 300,000,000 of us. Otherwise, we might all die or something.
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I agree with everything he said.

The stupid thing is that everything he wants to do when comes to the law already exists.


You really don't expect him to know there are laws on the books for this do you ?

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Old 07-26-2012, 10:43 AM   #432
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Well, population makes a big difference...

Do these numbers shock you?

Number of vehicle fatalities per latest year:

US: 33,808
Aus: 1,291
UK: 2,222
GER: 3,657
CAN: 2,767

Should we demand government action because of the stark difference in those numbers as well? Clearly that shows that the US is simply murder on the highways and we need government regulation....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ted_death_rate

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/re...h036e-5883.htm
Yep this is one of my beefs with the whole anti gun crowd. While I believe every death is tragic there are things in our lives that destroy way more lives than guns do.

Alcohol destroys and kills more than guns do. Nobody is bitching about banning alcohol.
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Yep this is one of my beefs with the whole anti gun crowd. While I believe every death is tragic there are things in our lives that destroy way more lives than guns do.

Alcohol destroys and kills more than guns do. Nobody is bitching about banning alcohol.
One big difference is that many (if not most) of the gun deaths are on purpose - homicides vs. accidents. Another is that guns - unlike cars or booze - are weapons, and therefore killing is their primary purpose.

There are lots of other differences, more than enough to make the "other things kill too" argument ridiculous. They're simply not the same thing.
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One big difference is that many (if not most) of the gun deaths are on purpose - homicides vs. accidents. Another is that guns - unlike cars or booze - are weapons, and therefore killing is their primary purpose.

There are lots of other differences, more than enough to make the "other things kill too" argument ridiculous. They're simply not the same thing.
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