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Old 07-20-2012, 09:50 AM  
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Gun Control

We have all heard about what happened in Aurora, Co, and I think that Gun Control is going to be a huge topic in the following months.


What measures need to be taken? Do you have any ideas that will help prevent this kind of thing from happening again as it pertains to guns?
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:46 PM   #586
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:48 PM   #587
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Those laws only serve to make people feel better about having done something. They do nothing. If you want to do something about gun violence, NOTHING SHORT of a complete ban on all handguns will do anything, and that is not going to happen, nor should it.
That's it. Nice to agree with you, it's been awhile.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:48 PM   #588
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Lots of accidental deaths from cars, trucks, and other forms of transportation. It's tragic, but they're accidents.

These shootings aren't accidents, and the murders aren't ramming into people with cars.

A car is a tool, a gun is a tool. A car gets you from one place to another, a gun shoots things.
Drunk drivers, texting, eating, talking on the phone are all cases of people not using a tool responsibly. The same thing happens with guns. I guess it missed your bat when Timothy McVeigh used a truck to kill 168 people. Here is another oldie when you outlaw guns...you know the rest. Do you really think this shitbag would have just turned in the gun and never caused harm to anyone if guns were banned before he shot up that school. When people like you quit being silly I will stop mocking you. Start with assault rifles then all rifles and all guns, then we get to knifes and the bats and then cars and trucks and and and... You do know how dangerous rocks are right??? How are we going to control rocks after we ban everything else...lets not even talk about big sticks
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:49 PM   #589
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Some people are just completely oblivious to what's been happening the last few years with an overwhelming wave of laws being passed making gun ownership and concealed carry EASIER, not just in red states, but in purple and blue states as well. This is a bipartisan movement, and the Brady Campaign is just about dead.

To the extent that something IS done in response to these shootings, it would probably be something the anti-gun folks wont like: more concealed carry laws and a re-think on the wisdom of "gun-free" zones.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:49 PM   #590
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It is funny listening to the cars/box cutters rants. Twitter/Facebook is going to end this shit once and for all. The people aren't going to stand for no action to be taken.
Honestly what do you propose? The way things look now is that he killed his mother. Stole her firearms, went to the school and then murdered her class.

The kid was nuts pure and simple and it appears he had no legal firearm access. Are you proposing we place bans on new firearms on the off chance that someone has a family member that murders them, steals their legal firearms and then goes on a killing spree?

How do you legislate against that? Unless you say take all the firearms away because someone might go nuts.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:53 PM   #591
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Honestly what do you propose? The way things look now is that he killed his mother. Stole her firearms, went to the school and then murdered her class.

The kid was nuts pure and simple and it appears he had no legal firearm access. Are you proposing we place bans on new firearms on the off chance that someone has a family member that murders them, steals their legal firearms and then goes on a killing spree?

How do you legislate against that? Unless you say take all the firearms away because someone might go nuts.
incrementalism. A lot of people are not informed on the issue, but by God, we have to do SOMETHING!

Congress, hypothetically, renews the Assault Weapons ban. People hi-five for doing something. It does nothing. Congress hypothetically passes laws restricting the capacity of magazines. Still nothing. At some point the Brady folks then sadly tell the country that there's nothing left to do except seize all the handguns, and if that doesn't stop it, long guns are next. I mean, what are you going to do? Just accept that gun violence will happen?
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:56 PM   #592
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incrementalism. A lot of people are not informed on the issue, but by God, we have to do SOMETHING!

Congress, hypothetically, renews the Assault Weapons ban. People hi-five for doing something. It does nothing. Congress hypothetically passes laws restricting the capacity of magazines. Still nothing. At some point the Brady folks then sadly tell the country that there's nothing left to do except seize all the handguns, and if that doesn't stop it, long guns are next. I mean, what are you going to do? Just accept that gun violence will happen?
Yes I will and all gun control people can **** off plain and simple~
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It's just disgusting watching the left trying to capitalize politically on this before these kids are even buried.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:58 PM   #594
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It is funny listening to the cars/box cutters rants. Twitter/Facebook is going to end this shit once and for all. The people aren't going to stand for no action to be taken.
, you are really out there dude.
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incrementalism. A lot of people are not informed on the issue, but by God, we have to do SOMETHING!

Congress, hypothetically, renews the Assault Weapons ban. People hi-five for doing something. It does nothing. Congress hypothetically passes laws restricting the capacity of magazines. Still nothing. At some point the Brady folks then sadly tell the country that there's nothing left to do except seize all the handguns, and if that doesn't stop it, long guns are next. I mean, what are you going to do? Just accept that gun violence will happen?
The supreme court has already protected Handguns so they can't be banned and I expect within the next 2-3 years they will also rule that state AWB are also unconstitutional. There is already legislation in the works to do so. What most people don't get about banning 'AWs' is that if you banned every rifle in the country, you would only reduce gun homicides by 3%(and that's assuming all deaths from rifles don't get converted into deaths from handguns).
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:59 PM   #596
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Honestly what do you propose? The way things look now is that he killed his mother. Stole her firearms, went to the school and then murdered her class.

The kid was nuts pure and simple and it appears he had no legal firearm access. Are you proposing we place bans on new firearms on the off chance that someone has a family member that murders them, steals their legal firearms and then goes on a killing spree?

How do you legislate against that? Unless you say take all the firearms away because someone might go nuts.
I could be wrong, but it seems like if all you could privately own were hunting rifles, shotguns etc true hunting/farm type weapons, it would be far more difficult to procure weapons designed to efficiently end the lives of dozens of people in 90 seconds.

Be real, no matter how much you dislike the government, the fact that you have a few small arms lying around is not the reason this isn't North Korea.

The only purpose for the weapons used in these situations are to kill other humans. I understand wanting a gun to protect your family. I don't understand why anyone thinks a civilian needs military grade weaponry.
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The thing that gets me is that everyone acts like this is a uniquley American phenomenon.

It's not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting

Heck, today in China a guy went on a rampage with a KNIFE.
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I could be wrong, but it seems like if all you could privately own were hunting rifles, shotguns etc true hunting/farm type weapons, it would be far more difficult to procure weapons designed to efficiently end the lives of dozens of people in 90 seconds.

Be real, no matter how much you dislike the government, the fact that you have a few small arms lying around is not the reason this isn't North Korea.

The only purpose for the weapons used in these situations are to kill other humans. I understand wanting a gun to protect your family. I don't understand why anyone thinks a civilian needs military grade weaponry.
There isn't any "could be" about it...
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. I don't understand why anyone thinks a civilian needs military grade weaponry.
Three guns were found. Which of these do you consider "military grade weaponry"?

a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols - and a .223-caliber rifle.
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Three guns were found. Which of these do you consider "military grade weaponry"?

a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols - and a .223-caliber rifle.
Not knowing much about guns, pistols seem like they're not used for much beyond killing people. No idea about a .223 caliber rifle.

But, perhaps shockingly, when you have things designed exclusively to kill humans, more often than not, humans end up dying from them.

And here's WHY you don't want people having hand guns. Because people are friggen stupid. Cops, who have training and should understand how powerful their guns really are, routinely use excessive deadly force. And now you want me to assume that some shlub who got into guns because he watched Commando 50 times in high school is responsible enough to exercise the proper judgement when it comes to using deadly force.

**** that. We don't trust people enough to leave doors unlocked, or to handle an F-bomb on the radio, but we'll trust them to carry around 15 bits of exploding metal that are only designed to end the lives of other humans. Good ****ing luck.
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