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Old 07-20-2012, 09:50 AM  
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Gun Control

We have all heard about what happened in Aurora, Co, and I think that Gun Control is going to be a huge topic in the following months.


What measures need to be taken? Do you have any ideas that will help prevent this kind of thing from happening again as it pertains to guns?
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:16 PM   #631
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I think its a good bit bigger than that. The issue began far before Reagan

If you think an issue of this magnitude is a matter of one man you probably need to go back to your video games and avoid the conversation.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:18 PM   #632
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You dont think having 1 or 2 off-duty cops would put a significant dent into it? OK, occasionally, maybe one out of 10 mass killing attempts, the crazy guy gets lucky. The other 9 times, the guard takes him out before he can rack up a couple dozen kills.
most of these are well planned and thought out. The attackers would plan to take out the rent a cops first.

Besides who wants to have armed guards/militarize all of our public places.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:20 PM   #633
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most of these are well planned and thought out. The attackers would plan to take out the rent a cops first.

Besides who wants to have armed guards/militarize all of our public places.
I disagree that these are well planned. We're talking about a crazy guy who went to school, walked to his mom's classroom, and started shooting.

Re: public places, we see cops in courthouses, in gas stations paying for gas and soda, and in their cars pointing radars at us. Whats so special about a school? If I saw a cop randomly walking by in a park, I wouldn't give him a second glance or thought.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:23 PM   #634
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I disagree that these are well planned. We're talking about a crazy guy who went to school, walked to his mom's classroom, and started shooting.

Re: public places, we see cops in courthouses, in gas stations paying for gas and soda, and in their cars pointing radars at us. Whats so special about a school? If I saw a cop randomly walking by in a park, I wouldn't give him a second glace or thought.
It would be interesting to know how many schools have poilce in the building now. Even in small towns we have them now. Security is a responsibility that schools need to take more seriously as we saw today
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:33 PM   #635
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OK fine...then explain this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...89-decade.html

The issue with gun crime isn't the guns...it's the society...we have serious issues and the longer we try to blame the guns instead of society the longer it's going to take to actually fix it.
The issue is the guns and society. They both go hand and hand. Kids are now dying, its going to have to be at least discussed and addressed somehow. Yes, guns themselves are harmless unless put into the hands of an idiot. Problems are idiots are getting a hold of these guns now.

Remember when the 2nd amendment was passed the most lethal gun there was, was a ****ing musket.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:34 PM   #636
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At one time we had institutions to deal with the unstable. Now we mainstream them. Perhaps we need to revisit the decision that has put those people living under overpasses or expecting them to live normally with families that do not know how to deal with those issues.
Are you suggesting we go back to the time where we lock up all people perceived to be crazy?

My suggestion is that state's quit gutting the mental health budget.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:35 PM   #637
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The issue is the guns and society. They both go hand and hand. Kids are now dying, its going to have to be at least discussed and addressed somehow. Yes, guns themselves are harmless unless put into the hands of an idiot. Problems are idiots are getting a hold of these guns now.

Remember when the 2nd amendment was passed the most lethal gun there was, was a ****ing musket.
Yep, lets make guns illegal. I mean after all it worked great for the drug problems in this country
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:42 PM   #638
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Are you suggesting we go back to the time where we lock up all people perceived to be crazy?

My suggestion is that state's quit gutting the mental health budget.
Well no. But somewhere between the old county crazy house or locking the crazy aunt in the basement or as you suggest just spend more money lies a better way than what we have. We have failed unstable people by abandoning them. Is an institution better than an overpass or a cardboard box? Id say yes. We have mainstreamed unstable kids into classrooms and in doing so we overload already overloaded teachers, reduced the classroom experience for the rest of the class and not made things better for the special needs child.

If we added to the mental health budget as you suggest where would the money go and for what?
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:46 PM   #639
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Some interesting points. I think it's a conversation worth having. What can we do to stop these? I'm not advocating a gun ban, but I think there are steps that could be made. Not just with gun control, but mental health too.

I understand the first response is always to say " gun control won't fix anything". But someone needs to explain to me why we experience such higher levels of violence, and gun violence in particular, than other western countries
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Worked for alcohol during prohibition as well. Wait one second, why don't we just make murder illegal and then we don't have to worry about the guns anymore.
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The issue is the guns and society. They both go hand and hand. Kids are now dying, its going to have to be at least discussed and addressed somehow. Yes, guns themselves are harmless unless put into the hands of an idiot. Problems are idiots are getting a hold of these guns now.

Remember when the 2nd amendment was passed the most lethal gun there was, was a ****ing musket.
And the first amendment applied to one page at a time newspapers with type set by hand

Think about it
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FYI I'm pretty sure I had a prowler earlier tonight. The movement lights came on and the dog started barking it's head off. I felt safe for one reason only: I have a big ****ing gun right where I can get it.

**** gun control.
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The issue is the guns and society. They both go hand and hand. Kids are now dying, its going to have to be at least discussed and addressed somehow. Yes, guns themselves are harmless unless put into the hands of an idiot. Problems are idiots are getting a hold of these guns now.

Remember when the 2nd amendment was passed the most lethal gun there was, was a ****ing musket.
I believe that, 2 years from now, when absolutely nothing whatsoever is done regarding gun control and there are no political consequences for that inaction, at that point people will start to realize that it wont happen.
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Yep, lets make guns illegal. I mean after all it worked great for the drug problems in this country
i didnt say lets do anything, i said they need to look into it. All drugs need to be ****ing legal as itis. Alcohol is one of the worst and its a ok to do it.

I wouldnt mind at least see'ing assult rifles go. There is no ****ing way this should have ever happened. Not kids.

Im not pro gun or anti gun, but i think it needs to be looked into and thankfully thats not my job.
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