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Old 07-20-2012, 09:50 AM  
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Gun Control

We have all heard about what happened in Aurora, Co, and I think that Gun Control is going to be a huge topic in the following months.


What measures need to be taken? Do you have any ideas that will help prevent this kind of thing from happening again as it pertains to guns?
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:24 PM   #721
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You know after what happened today I'm not getting into political debates about what needs to happen, however I'm saying something different needs to happen.

This shit can't continue.
I really have no idea what can be done.

Banning guns today doesn't make them all disappear.

It also doesn't make batshit crazy people not want to kill.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:27 PM   #722
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zactually.the problem now is figuring out how to keep the guns out of lunatics hands
or how to identify these nuts,
but how many of us would take a mandatory psyche evaluation lightly

guns are not the problem, idiots and lunatics with guns are
how can the NRA help this?
the govt really can't do anymore than they are without violating the second amendment
so can the private sector help on this?
An extensive psych evaluation may not be a bad idea.

But then, true sociopaths could probably fake it.
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:33 PM   #723
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how long have guns been banned in the UK?
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Old 12-14-2012, 11:56 PM   #724
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how long have guns been banned in the UK?
Since around 1432. Actually that's on of the bits about the UK. They have long had a tradition of denying weapons of all sorts to the common man. That's probably partially why the original framers put the 2nd amendment in. But as much or more of the lack of violent deaths is due to the tradition of less use of firearms. However some of that is changing as more and more immigrants come to the UK. Interestingly enough Northern Ireland has similar violent crime and firearms deaths as the US per capita.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:00 AM   #725
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Interestingly enough Northern Ireland has similar violent crime and firearms deaths as the US per capita.
I believe NI has different gun laws than GB.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:02 AM   #726
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I just want to say I sat in a room full of people tonight in liberal central and not one of them thought that gun control is the answer. Maybe there is hope.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:14 AM   #727
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I believe NI has different gun laws than GB.
yup but not hugely so, I believe the big differences are NI allows handguns and semi-automatic weapons(UK is bolt action style only) and they permit 'self defense' as a valid reason for a firearms permit although only for explicit threats I believe

Also to those that think eliminating semi-auto will prevent tragedy...shotguns and bolt action hunting rifles can still do great damage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:16 AM   #728
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I just want to say I sat in a room full of people tonight in liberal central and not one of them thought that gun control is the answer. Maybe there is hope.
I was about to say...well tell me they say that in a place like CA...but then I remembered where you are. I'm somewhat surprised considering the bay area is a hotbed of gun control.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:23 AM   #729
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I was about to say...well tell me they say that in a place like CA...but then I remembered where you are. I'm somewhat surprised considering the bay area is a hotbed of gun control.
There were some that thought we had become desensitized through movies and videos. There were many that didn't like the way the media has made these killers famous although I must say I was the one that brought that up. There was some mention of parenting or the lack of it. There was mention of cultural issues as well. Not one thought gun control was the issue. I was shocked but I think everyone was really speaking their mind. People had calmed down a bit since earlier today though. It gives me home after reading the emotional discharge that is Chiefsplanet today.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:59 AM   #730
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That is impossible.

A gun ban is impossible. Perhaps we could have armed guards at schools and malls.
They will just shoot them first. We need plain clothes people
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:07 AM   #731
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Nothing would have changed unless we outlawed certain handguns as well -and then (as proven in Norway) the outcome only MAY have changed.


The argument is moot in this case.
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This much is true. If that kid didn't have access to those guns, these killings might never have happened. That's not a federal gun control issue - that's a parenting issue. The responsibilities around gun access is the lesson here. If you want to look at that lesson from a political lens, it's a lesson for the liberty-loving 2nd Amendment supporters. Gun access should be made a more important topic as part of the "respect of guns" responsibility that all gun owners have. These are implements of war.

The only solution to this problem is impressing upon individual gun owners the tragic threats that unsecured weapons invite. Obviously people should inherently know this, but just as in everything when dealing with (training) people, repetition, repetition, repetition.

I hope that organizations like the NRA and the GOA take it upon themselves to use this tragedy as a platform for raising awareness about the issue of responsibilities of owners where gun access is concerned.
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:09 AM   #733
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i didnt say lets do anything, i said they need to look into it. All drugs need to be ****ing legal as itis. Alcohol is one of the worst and its a ok to do it.

I wouldnt mind at least see'ing assult rifles go. There is no ****ing way this should have ever happened. Not kids.

Im not pro gun or anti gun, but i think it needs to be looked into and thankfully thats not my job.
Could not agree with you more thankfully it is not your job~
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This much is true. If that kid didn't have access to those guns, these killings might never have happened. That's not a federal gun control issue - that's a parenting issue. The responsibilities around gun access is the lesson here. If you want to look at that lesson from a political lens, it's a lesson for the liberty-loving 2nd Amendment supporters. Gun access should be made a more important topic as part of the "respect of guns" responsibility that all gun owners have. These are implements of war.

The only solution to this problem is impressing upon individual gun owners the tragic threats that unsecured weapons invite. Obviously people should inherently know this, but just as in everything when dealing with (training) people, repetition, repetition, repetition.

I hope that organizations like the NRA and the GOA take it upon themselves to use this tragedy as a platform for raising awareness about the issue of responsibilities of owners where gun access is concerned.


I'm not saying that more gun control is the answer. But I think that saying "better parenting" when the mother was one of the victims... That's pretty bold. If only she had done a better job of impressing upon her son that guns were dangerous, maybe he wouldn't have maliciously shot her in the head? And then killed a bunch of kids? My guess is he knew guns were dangerous and that's why he used them. Some people are just psychopathic and want to hurt others. Given that info, the question is, do we restrict guns and try to keep them out of the hands of psychos, or do we let anybody have em so they can potentially protect themselves from said psychos?

I lean towards the latter, but that opens a whole new can of worms. Imagine how many shootings there would be every day in every bar if every person HAD to carry a loaded gun. What if every person in that movie theater a few months ago had a loaded gun? Sure, the assailant would have certainly been killed, but once 100 people have guns in their hands and the bullets start flying in a panic toward anybody else who has a gun, I would bet A LOT more people would have died.

It's a much tougher issue than anybody on one side or the other wants to admit.
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This much is true. If that kid didn't have access to those guns, these killings might never have happened. That's not a federal gun control issue - that's a parenting issue. The responsibilities around gun access is the lesson here. If you want to look at that lesson from a political lens, it's a lesson for the liberty-loving 2nd Amendment supporters. Gun access should be made a more important topic as part of the "respect of guns" responsibility that all gun owners have. These are implements of war.

The only solution to this problem is impressing upon individual gun owners the tragic threats that unsecured weapons invite. Obviously people should inherently know this, but just as in everything when dealing with (training) people, repetition, repetition, repetition.

I hope that organizations like the NRA and the GOA take it upon themselves to use this tragedy as a platform for raising awareness about the issue of responsibilities of owners where gun access is concerned.

Same day a 35 year old went to a school in a chinese village and cut 22 kids. We can't assume no access to guns would equal no tragedy.
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