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Old 08-23-2012, 08:43 PM  
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Rock Center with Brian Williams Doing a Hatchet Job on Mormonism...

How ****ing transparent can the mainstream media be? They constantly run interference for Hussein, and savage anyone who dares speak against their anointed one...

I wonder when NBC or CBS or ABC will do an expose on Reverend Wright's anti-American diatribes in prime time?
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:04 PM   #196
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Oh, and eternal salvation for your doomed soul, of course.
I'm still down.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:06 PM   #197
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But the point is -- let's ask each of those candidates if that's something they're interested in doing.

Every candidate has to answer questions about their religious faith. The fact that you think Romney should be exempted from this is really, really partisan.
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Mormonism, in particular, has plenty of religious beliefs that, if held devoutly by somebody like Romney, it could have a tangible effect on policy.

It does genuinely believe in some strange things that run counter to the evangelical drumbeat much of this country marches to.

Caffeine is forbidden, pre-existent spirits, Missouri is their holy land, the twisted history of John Smith...

People are ignorant about Mormonism.

John Smith's personal history alone sends chills down your spine.

But you're missing the pedophilia, but yeah, [Romney worshipping a charlatan is] really amazing.

[Personal dietary habits] can have a tangible effect on policy.
Yeah, you sure are interested in a productive investigation of how a candidate would govern.


Q1: So . . . the underwear . . . can I touch it? Is it really magic?

Q2: So, . . . you've REALLY never had a Coca Cola.

Q3: So, you really have graven idols of some guy I hear from totally reliable internet sources was a kiddie diddler and petty thief that you worship fortnightly by the new moon?

Q4: So, I hear one of your sons had troubles conceiving. How can you reassure us that their choice of surrogate isn't just a conveniently disguised sister-wife?
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:06 PM   #198
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You want to ask Romney why some Christians don't believe he's a Christian? And what policy impact does the answer to that question actually have? It sounds like you're on a fishing expedition looking for the not-so-elusive innuendo fish.
It's the god-in-three-persons thing. The Mormons aren't buying it.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:12 PM   #199
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You want to ask Romney why some Christians don't believe he's a Christian? And what policy impact does the answer to that question actually have?
I don't think it'd be a bad idea for the public to learn more about the religion, particularly how the candidate feels about the religion.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:14 PM   #200
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Yeah, you sure are interested in a productive investigation of how a candidate would govern.

Q1: So . . . the underwear . . . can I touch it? Is it really magic?

Q2: So, . . . you've REALLY never had a Coca Cola.

Q3: So, you really have graven idols of some guy I hear from totally reliable internet sources was a kiddie diddler and petty thief that you worship fortnightly by the new moon?

Q4: So, I hear one of your sons had troubles conceiving. How can you reassure us that their choice of surrogate isn't just a conveniently disguised sister-wife?
You could claim that I'm only interested in a witch hunt. You'd be grossly mistaken, but you're welcome to claim it. I don't give two shits.

But the problem is you're also claiming that it's inappropriate to either bring it up at all, or ask Romney about it at all.

That's where the rubber meets the road for me. Because that's dumb.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:16 PM   #201
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It's the god-in-three-persons thing. The Mormons aren't buying it.
Yeah, I've heard that. I'm just not sure what fascinates Direckshun about it (from a policy perspective, of course, haha) other than the potential it has to drive a wedge between Romney and a segment of his party's base.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:21 PM   #202
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I think that when all theological implications are carefully and thoroughly considered, we evangelicals have to ask ourselves some very tough questions about whether we're really comfortable taking our chances with a man whose rather mysterious religion is fundamentally different than ours in its both its core structures and its beliefs, or whether we'd rather just reelect the African.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:23 PM   #203
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Yeah, I've heard that. I'm just not sure what fascinates Direckshun about it (from a policy perspective, of course, haha) other than the potential it has to drive a wedge between Romney and a segment of his party's base.
Yeah, I'm convinced that his motive is to attempt to suppress a reliably right-leaning voter base despite his protestations.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:23 PM   #204
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Yeah... that's been a Democratic priority for over a decade, now.

But once again we're at that precious little space where Republicans (mlyonsd, Baby Lee) are demanding more accountability from Democrats for their beliefs infiltrating their politics, while demanding damn near zero accountability from Republicans for theirs.
While I'm not really sure why you would think I made that claim I'd also like you to point out where I demand near zero accountability on Republicans.

You were the one that made the first lady statement not me.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:26 PM   #205
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While I'm not really sure why you would think I made that claim I'd also like you to point out where I demand near zero accountability on Republicans.

You were the one that made the first lady statement not me.
Much like fundamentalist Muslims, the democrats' core beliefs are both their politics and their theology. They are inseparable.

They don't understand our ability to categorize our principles.
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Old 08-26-2012, 05:32 PM   #206
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While I'm not really sure why you would think I made that claim I'd also like you to point out where I demand near zero accountability on Republicans.

You were the one that made the first lady statement not me.
Apparently my sarcastic congratulations to 'shun for doggedly pressing Ms. Obama on her wacky dietary beliefs was evidence sufficient to establish me as a warrior on the increased religious scrutiny of Dems front.
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Old 08-26-2012, 06:25 PM   #207
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/us...ml?_r=1&ref=us

Scripture, Song and Six Grandchildren: Romneys Open Church Doors to Press
By MICHAEL BARBARO and ASHLEY PARKER
Published: August 19, 2012

BOSTON — Mitt Romney read Scripture from his iPad as he juggled his 2-year-old grandson on his lap.

He made sure to accept a small piece of white bread and cup of water, representing the flesh and blood of Jesus, from a member of the clergy who looked like he was about to accidentally pass him by.

And with a knowing nod, he encouraged his wife, Ann, to leave the pew and join the women’s choir in a rendition of “Because I Have Been Given Much.” (She did.)

On one level, it was a typical Sunday morning for Mr. Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and a devoted churchgoer. But on another level, his Sunday observance was an extraordinary moment for a candidate who zealously protects his privacy and rarely talks about his Mormon faith.

On Sunday, for the first time since Mr. Romney became a candidate for president, his aides invited members of the news media to accompany him to church services near his lake house in Wolfeboro, N.H., providing the public with a look into one of the most intimate corners of his life and into the rituals of a religion that is frequently misunderstood.

After a year of studiously avoiding all but the most oblique references to Mr. Romney’s faith on the campaign trail, his advisers said they believe it is time for him to publicly embrace it. They reason that his religious devotion, as well as his leadership within the church, convey qualities that voters will warm to — and outweigh any squeamishness among those who are unfamiliar with or suspicious of Mormonism.

The display of openness inside the church was not entirely spontaneous: Mr. Romney agreed a few weeks ago to allow a small group of reporters, known as a protective pool, to track his every moment by airplane or vehicle, a longstanding tradition in presidential campaigns.

But Mr. Romney’s aides have wide discretion over what events members of the pool may attend, and the campaign’s decision to allow reporters into church was something of a surprise. (His advisers are known to scold reporters whose articles focus on Mr. Romney’s faith.)

Mr. and Mrs. Romney arrived at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Wolfeboro at 10 a.m. with their oldest son, Tagg; his wife, Jennifer; and their six children. On their way in, the family was greeted in the parking lot by an older couple. “Welcome back,” a woman said, giving Mr. Romney a hug.

Mr. and Mrs. Romney sang along to hymns and took turns holding their grandchildren during the service, which was attended by about 100 people. At times, Mr. Romney flipped through a picture book with his grandson Johnny.

Mr. Romney, wearing a navy blue suit, listened intently as Ali Marriott, a member of the family that owns the giant hotel chain, delivered a talk about her recent missionary work in Utah and California.

At one point, volunteers were invited to join the women’s choir in song. Mr. Romney glanced at his wife, and gently and wordlessly suggested she do so. Mrs. Romney and her daughter-in-law both stood, walked to the front pulpit and along with about 40 others — nearly all the women in the congregation — began singing “Because I Have Been Given Much,” a popular Mormon hymn about using one’s blessings to help other people. The lyrics include this line: “I shall divide my gifts from thee with every brother that I see, who has the need of help from me.”

After the closing prayer, which asked for God’s guidance through the rest of the day, Mr. Romney wiped his eyes. He then headed to Sunday school, which was not open to reporters. Roughly a half-hour before the final class ended, Mr. and Mrs. Romney emerged from church with another woman from the congregation, who seemed startled by the cameras awaiting the Romneys.

“You’re in trouble now,” Mr. Romney said, putting his arm around the woman. “You’re in trouble now.”

His wife joked, “She got caught sneaking out early!”
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If Obama were mormon, Defleckshun would tooting the horn of LDS.
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If Obama thought all men should get their dicks cut off he'd be the first guy in line.
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