Creation Seminar 1 - Kent Hovind - Age of the Earth

[KILLER_CLOWN]

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

The answers you seek have been posted, by me even. Look inward after you've looked upward.

Not 1 have refuted any premise of my valid argument. Simple logic for you. If all premises are true in a valid argument then the conclusion cannot be false.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Not 1 have refuted any premise of my valid argument. Simple logic for you. If all premises are true in a valid argument then the conclusion cannot be false.

I didn't see any argument, just striking the match hoping for a full on circle jerk.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

I didn't see any argument, just striking the match hoping for a full on circle jerk.

I hate to break it to you, but the argument I gave you wouldn't have a single problem finding itself into a logic book. For a reminder:

God is infallible as is his word
The bible has errors

If God and his word are infallible and the bible has errors then the bible cannot be God's word.

Please show me what you would like to dispute? Obviously the conclusion, but you need a reason to refute that and to do that would be to prove premise a or b wrong. With your own words a is not wrong and I feel b has conclusively been proven.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

I hate to break it to you, but the argument I gave you wouldn't have a single problem finding itself into a logic book. For a reminder:

God is infallible as is his word
The bible has errors

If God and his word are infallible and the bible has errors then the bible cannot be God's word.

Please show me what you would like to dispute? Obviously the conclusion, but you need a reason to refute that and to do that would be to prove premise a or b wrong. With your own words a is not wrong and I feel b has conclusively been proven.

The bible does not have errors, i've already answered your earlier questions...did you have more?

Please share your knowledge how we evolved from nothing...i'll be waiting.

You can answer tomorrow, it's bedtime for me....Good night and God Bless anyone reading this thread.

[Brainiac]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c004.html

Wow. For someone who believes in a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, I'm surprised you'd post a link to an article full of such tortured logic and speculation. So Cain "married his wife" (his sister) BEFORE he killed his brother?

I suppose anyone who would murder his brother would have no qualms about committing incest with his sister. But it sure is funny that the Bible fails to mention it at all. That's a pretty big detail to omit.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

The bible does not have errors, i've already answered your earlier questions...did you have more?

Please share your knowledge how we evolved from nothing...i'll be waiting.

You can answer tomorrow, it's bedtime for me....Good night and God Bless anyone reading this thread.

While it may be debatable that the Bible does not have errors, it most certainly has omissions.

[Saulbadguy]

The bible (and quran, torah, etc) is mostly fiction. If it were real, don't you think there would be historical accounts of the events that took place in it SOMEWHERE else?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c004.html

So....

We are not told when Cain married or any of the details of other marriages and children, but we can say for certain that some brothers had to marry their sisters at the beginning of human history.

But what about God's Laws?

Many people immediately reject the conclusion that Adam and Eve's sons and daughters married each other by appealing to the law against brother-sister intermarriage. Some say that you cannot marry your relation. Actually, if you don't marry your relation, you don't marry a human! A wife is related to her husband even before they marry because all people are descendants of Adam and Eve—all are of “one blood.” The law forbidding marriage between close relatives was not given until the time of Moses (Leviticus 18-20). Provided marriage was one man to one woman for life (based on Genesis 1 and 2), there was no disobedience to God's law originally when close relatives (even brothers and sisters) married each other.

The answer is incest? Huh.... I guess I wasn't expecting that one. And they justify it by saying that the "law" wasn't given until the time of Moses, so it was OK.



But what about genetic deformation? Well luckily, they provide an answer for that too...

Cain was in the first generation of children ever born. He (as well as his brothers and sisters) would have have received virtually no imperfect genes from Adam or Eve, since the effects of sin and the Curse would have been minimal to start with (it takes time for these copying errors to accumulate). In that situation, brother and sister could have married with God's approval, without any potential to produce deformed offspring.

By the time of Moses (a few thousand years later), degenerative mistakes would have built up in the human race to such an extent that it was necessary for God to forbid brother-sister (and close relative) marriage (Leviticus 18-20).[12] (Also, there were plenty of people on the earth by then, and there was no reason for close relations to marry.)

So genetic anomalies are the result of God's punishment. And the degenerative mistakes would have built up by the time of Moses, and somehow went into a holding pattern for the next 2000 years or so.

I guess it all makes sense now...

[Fish]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c004.html

This also claims that birth defects are a form of God's punishment. I wonder how the religious parent of a child born with a birth defect feels about that?

"Sorry, little Sally, you have a cleft palate because God punished someone over 2000 years ago. No, it was nothing you did sweetie. You look that way because he loves you."

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

So how do you think we're supposed to know GOD? Do you believe GOD would leave us here without instruction? Just curious as to what your thoughts are.

Are you saying God can't speak to us individually? He has to leave a note?

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

The bible does not have errors, i've already answered your earlier questions...did you have more?

Please share your knowledge how we evolved from nothing...i'll be waiting.

You can answer tomorrow, it's bedtime for me....Good night and God Bless anyone reading this thread.

I've linked a website in which numerous errors are outlined, with that link I posted a few examples.

Here is my belief.: The bible is not God's word, it is fallible because it was written by men who were inspired by their faith. It became more diluted when the Roman Catholic Church and Constantinople constructed it, by omitting parts.

It is an absolute invaluable resource when you use it in that context. However, it doesn't merit worship like God himself does.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

This also claims that birth defects are a form of God's punishment. I wonder how the religious parent of a child born with a birth defect feels about that?

"Sorry, little Sally, you have a cleft palate because God punished someone over 2000 years ago. No, it was nothing you did sweetie. You look that way because he loves you."

Take it up with GOD, there is a reason for everything.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

So....



The answer is incest? Huh.... I guess I wasn't expecting that one. And they justify it by saying that the "law" wasn't given until the time of Moses, so it was OK.



But what about genetic deformation? Well luckily, they provide an answer for that too...





So genetic anomalies are the result of God's punishment. And the degenerative mistakes would have built up by the time of Moses, and somehow went into a holding pattern for the next 2000 years or so.

I guess it all makes sense now...

You catch on quickly, yes we had to start somewhere. People lived to be 900 years old before the flood. After the flood the world changed drastically.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by J Diddy

Are you saying God can't speak to us individually? He has to leave a note?

Yes the Holy Spirit guides you and you need the Spirit to interpret his word as well. If you had the faith of a grain of mustard seed and spiritual guidance you wouldn't be scoffing at his word like you are now.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by petegz28

While it may be debatable that the Bible does not have errors, it most certainly has omissions.

Yes, I didn't see Mercedes anywhere in the bible therefore it must be false.