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Old 08-31-2012, 06:24 PM  
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Why people laugh at Creationists

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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Here's the Kent Hovind Theory:



"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 01-06-2013, 08:08 AM   #1636
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Romans 1:22-28

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22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:15 AM   #1637
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Not so much, but I refuse to believe a mathmatic formula made by a man I have never met,who is not perfect, to prove how life came about.
Yet you'll believe an even less logical story made by men you have never met, who are not perfect?

If you're going to say man is imperfect and untrustworthy, then you have to apply that equally to both religion and science. They both are the product of man. It's fascinating that you can't see the hypocrisy of that.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:26 PM   #1638
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Tom you are like Don Quixote and ChiefsPlanet is your windmill. You keep charging only to be unseated from your mount ending up flustered on the ground. I will give you this much, you always muster up the will to get in the saddle ready for another charge. The results are always the same and a person can only wonder what is behind this endless yet futile battle~
That's quite cute, but this is my first foray into this website. I presume that you live on all of the AFC West team websites so you can be a troll.

Kick me off this board and I'm gone. For what it's worth, if you don't like my position or opinion just don't read my posts.

So which are you? You never answered the previous post.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:27 PM   #1639
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That's quite cute, but this is my first foray into this website. I presume that you live on all of the AFC West team websites so you can be a troll.

Kick me off this board and I'm gone. For what it's worth, if you don't like my position or opinion just don't read my posts.

So which are you? You never answered the previous post.
You are the only person who has called me a troll I can count on one hand the people I dislike and do not get along with here Tom. I will take any insult from you as a compliment. I have never been banned or have had the need to create different usernames to hide my identity. Climb back on your horse Tom the windmill awaits your next charge~
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:50 PM   #1640
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Again, you are showing the most BASIC misunderstanding of this conversation. You simply don't know what you are talking about.

Evolution is not being presented by science as fact.
Gravity is also not presented as a 'fact'.

Does that mean everything we know about gravity must be wrong?

It just means there is more to discover.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:52 PM   #1641
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Romans 1:22-28

King James Version (KJV)

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Quoting scriptures is meaningless. It's just sandbagging. It just shows that someone else does your thinking for you.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:39 PM   #1642
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You are the only person who has called me a troll I can count on one hand the people I dislike and do not get along with here Tom. I will take any insult from you as a compliment. I have never been banned or have had the need to create different usernames to hide my identity. Climb back on your horse Tom the windmill awaits your next charge~
You are a raider fan on a Chiefs site. If you are not a troll what are you?
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Old 01-06-2013, 04:13 PM   #1643
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You are a raider fan on a Chiefs site. If you are not a troll what are you?
One thing I am not is a weirdo named Tom Cash hiding under a new username babbling the same nonsense that caused me to be in the red and eventually being banned or running and hiding only to repeat the same pathetic act over and over~
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Old 01-06-2013, 04:22 PM   #1644
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You are a raider fan on a Chiefs site. If you are not a troll what are you?
RNR is a good dude, despite his Raiders ways.

You are a douche.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:26 PM   #1645
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My point being there as many of holes in the evoultion and bang theory as there is in creation and a higher being that many people like to instantly jump to.

People cannot phathom a higher being, that created everything.. Yet they can phatom and believe that we all evolved from a lesser being, a more unintelligent animal per say.. AFTER, a bang in outer space made us possible. It's quite ironic.

The complexity of our very life, every aspect of it... The human eye, feelings, jealousy, anger is what makes creation more feasable in my mind..

I am not jumping anyones beliefs, thats just my opinion.
As many in this thread have already alluded to you don't seem to be capable of differentiating between what you believe in and what you know. That's not surprising really, because judging by what you've posted in this thread your basic scientific knowledge is well below that which I would expect a High School graduate to possess. So far you've expressed a truly mind boggling array of some the most ignorant meanderings I've ever had the misfortune of contemplating. I will attempt to address them in order.

No. There isn't any proof of creation. That goes hand-in-hand with the lack of proof of a creator.

If you are too simple minded to grasp the notion of incremental change over a very long period of time of course you don't have to believe it, but being too complicated for simple minded people to understand is not in any way proof that a theory is incorrect. Yes, there is physical evidence of a variety of plants an animals that show transitional development, in stages.

If the science is just to deep for you here I will offer a simplistic alternative. There are objective, observable, recorded physical differences in various segregated populations of mankind for several decades, if not centuries. Yet they can all interbreed to produce offspring with a combination of those physical characteristics. That's all that evolution is. Change over time. Once that has soaked in, you might be able to understand that some of those changes may be beneficial and some of those changes may not be beneficial. Over a very long time frame those beneficial changes that aid in reproduction, or survival of the individual until reproduction, are going to be accumulated.

The Big Bang theory, or any theory involving the origin of our universe, has nothing to do with evolution. The universe (for the sake of this discussion) simply exists. We don't really know why it exists or, for that matter, if that question is even germane to the discussion. What we have is an amount of data and a hypothesis that seems to fit. As we expand our knowledge we will rework our hypothesis, because that's what scientists do. It's the rational choice. Scientists search for knowledge and attempt to understand the universe around them. On the other hand, as the "God of the Gaps" concept explains, creationists continually offer a diametrically opposed viewpoint. The argument is that if we lack knowledge, or understanding, then God is the only explanation for anything that we have not discovered. Unfortunately for them they have relegated God to an ever dwindling zone of ignorance, a God that can only exist within the gaps of our knowledge.

Including your absurd math analogy (hey, did you know that everything you're doing right now on the internet is either a one or a zero?), I am amazed at your ability to simultaneously refute any knowledge gleaned throughout the history of mankind that does not fit your belief system, and yet blindly accept the dogma of a prohibitive faith that was handed down to you by a tribe of stone age nomads.
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Old 01-06-2013, 06:32 PM   #1646
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A bunch of scary Bible of scriptures that threaten you with bad things if you actually think for yourself
Kalama Sutta: To the Kalamas
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"So, as I said, Kalamas: 'Don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, "This contemplative is our teacher." When you know for yourselves that, "These qualities are unskillful; these qualities are blameworthy; these qualities are criticized by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to harm & to suffering" — then you should abandon them.' Thus was it said. And in reference to this was it said.

"Now, Kalamas, don't go by reports, by legends, by traditions, by scripture, by logical conjecture, by inference, by analogies, by agreement through pondering views, by probability, or by the thought, 'This contemplative is our teacher.' When you know for yourselves that, 'These qualities are skillful; these qualities are blameless; these qualities are praised by the wise; these qualities, when adopted & carried out, lead to welfare & to happiness' — then you should enter & remain in them.
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:34 PM   #1647
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Quoting scriptures is meaningless. It's just sandbagging. It just shows that someone else does your thinking for you.
This one sticks out most here whale..

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
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This one sticks out most here whale..

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
I'm fond of this powerful verse...

Dr. Seuss - Oh, the Places You'll Go

5 You have brains in your head.

6 You have feet in your shoes.

7 You can steer yourself in any direction you choose.

8 You're on your own, and you know what you know.

9 And you are the guy who'll decide where to go.
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This one sticks out most here whale..

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed.
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The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed.
Wait...what? This means I can't be a kept woman anymore.
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