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Old 08-31-2012, 06:24 PM  
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Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 01-08-2013, 11:24 AM   #1891
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As I understand atheism it is a rejection of the existence of "gods" or God. In other words it is the belief that God can not exist. There is nothing in Buddhist beliefs that has anything to do with an afterlife or a god. It is irrelevant to the teachings. It is viewed as unknowable, which is agnostic in nature.
It disbelieves in a god. So it is considered a non-theistic religion. Pope John Paul called it an atheistic religion even. However, they do believe in an after life, one without reference to any god. They believe in reincarnation and that one's status in in the next life is influenced by their conduct in their previous life. It's a very spiritual belief system—unlike atheists who are the only reality is physical matter. Thus they think they are just physical matter that ends with bodily death.

There were also Jewish mystics that believed in reincarnation too.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:44 AM   #1892
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you are about as far from right as one can be
Do you even know the translation of the word hell? Can you explain to me what hades or Gehenna was?

You believe God is love? Yet he will send an imperfect man to hell to be tortured by satan, the thing he hates most, and gives him that satisfaction. Read the bible for once, don't just listen to a random preacher who is up there to make a dollar.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:47 AM   #1893
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It disbelieves in a god. So it is considered a non-theistic religion. Pope John Paul called it an atheistic religion even. However, they do believe in an after life, one without reference to any god. They believe in reincarnation and that one's status in in the next life is influenced by their conduct in their previous life. It's a very spiritual belief system—unlike atheists who are the only reality is physical matter. Thus they think they are just physical matter that ends with bodily death.

There were also Jewish mystics that believed in reincarnation too.
1) No. There is nothing in the teachings of Buddha that depends upon the existence or nonexistence of God. It is written that one of his followers approached Buddha and complained about that very fact.

2) No. There is no afterlife typified in the teachings of Buddha. It was considered irrelevant.

3) No. Reincarnation is not a universal Buddhist belief

4) The Pope's views on the nature of Buddhism are no more valid than my own.


I think you are viewing Buddhism with the Dalai Lama in mind.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:50 AM   #1894
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Do you even know the translation of the word hell? Can you explain to me what hades or Gehenna was?

You believe God is love? Yet he will send an imperfect man to hell to be tortured by satan, the thing he hates most, and gives him that satisfaction. Read the bible for once, don't just listen to a random preacher who is up there to make a dollar.
Satan will be in torment as well so he won't be doing any torturing, for he is the father of lies. You are letting your emotions get in the way of your understanding.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:06 PM   #1895
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Satan will be in torment as well so he won't be doing any torturing, for he is the father of lies. You are letting your emotions get in the way of your understanding.
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It's an interpretation. There can't really be "Understanding" if his interpretation is completely different than yours. And since there's no actual evidence that either of you can point to in order to reaffirm your interpretation as the correct one, you're both equally correct/incorrect.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:20 PM   #1896
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It's an interpretation. There can't really be "Understanding" if his interpretation is completely different than yours. And since there's no actual evidence that either of you can point to in order to reaffirm your interpretation as the correct one, you're both equally correct/incorrect.
You really have to torture the scriptures to get that out of it, not the plain teachings for sure.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:23 PM   #1897
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You really have to torture the scriptures to get that out of it, not the plain teachings for sure.
How is it that you seem to be the only christian here that has access to what god / the bible really means?

Divine inspiration / intervention or?
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:25 PM   #1898
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How is it that you seem to be the only christian here that has access to what god / the bible really means?

Divine inspiration / intervention or?
Oh I dunno, I read it with the Holy Spirit as my guide. I'm not the only one, there are quite a number that have the truth but I would have to say they probably wouldn't grace the board with their presence.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:31 PM   #1899
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1) No. There is nothing in the teachings of Buddha that depends upon the existence or nonexistence of God.
There's no disagreement on this. It may be the semantics you're using. It's non-theistic.

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2) No. There is no afterlife typified in the teachings of Buddha. It was considered irrelevant.


3) No. Reincarnation is not a universal Buddhist belief
I think this relies on semantics too. What is reincarnation?
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/reincarnation.htm

However, the earliest Buddhist texts do attempt techniques for recalling previous births. But that is not the aim of the religion it's to break that cycle.

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4) The Pope's views on the nature of Buddhism are no more valid than my own.
I disagree. He is a student of theology. I happen to agree with him as it meets the definition of an atheist. It is a non-theistic religion. That is the same thing.


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I think you are viewing Buddhism with the Dalai Lama in mind.
I don't know that this is the case. I've merely dabbled in Buddhism, is where I get this.
The DL just says one has to experience such things or abandon them. I think the Buddha said the same.
It's really about separating mind or soul from matter ultimately.
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You really have to torture the scriptures to get that out of it, not the plain teachings for sure.
No, what you're doing is interpreting the same exact scripture in a way that personally appeals to you. Which is no different than what he's doing. You're just convinced that the way you do it is correct, and the way other people do the same thing is "Torture".
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No, what you're doing is interpreting the same exact scripture in a way that personally appeals to you. Which is no different than what he's doing. You're just convinced that the way you do it is correct, and the way other people do the same thing is "Torture".
What's wrong with that? That's why religion is a personal thing but it doesn't mean someone can't defend their version or engage in apologetics.
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I think this relies on semantics too. What is reincarnation?
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/reincarnation.htm

However, the earliest Buddhist texts do attempt techniques for recalling previous births. But that is not the aim of the religion it's to break that cycle.
Some people feel the need to believe in reincarnation. The core beliefs of Buddhism are independent of that belief, as well as a belief in the existence of God. It's irrelevant.
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I disagree. He is a student of theology. I happen to agree with him as it meets the definition of an atheist.
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That's why religion is a personal thing but it doesn't mean someone can't defend their version or engage in apologetics.
I find these two posts to be incongruent.
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Oh I dunno, I read it with the Holy Spirit as my guide. I'm not the only one, there are quite a number that have the truth but I would have to say they probably wouldn't grace the board with their presence.
Well, that's certainly easier than actually thinking about things.
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I find these two posts to be incongruent.
I can't help you then. It's unfortunate. Some people can't process certain ideas. I just happen to not be an anti-religionist.
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