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Old 08-31-2012, 06:24 PM  
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Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:33 PM   #1921
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:44 PM   #1922
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No, perhaps I worded it poorly. It's not apathy. I'll give an example. People get sick. Sometimes they get sick and die. Sometimes people die senselessly. That's not something that we can control, it's going to happen whether we want it to or not. Still it can be incredibly upsetting. In time we can get over it and process the reality of the situation. Once we do that we tend to "go back to normal", or at least continue on with a healthier state of mind. This doesn't imply that nothing is ever going to bother us again. This just implies that there is a way to deal with the suffering that exists.
Yeah, I agree with that. It's like saying one can only change their reaction to something than change a situation.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:02 PM   #1923
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Yeah, I agree with that. It's like saying one can only change their reaction to something than change a situation.

Sure just like that. OK, and here's the important part, as a Christian you can still believe in God's will. The concepts are compatible. Your faith in God can be part of that acceptance that you aren't in control of the situation. It's kind of one of those "God works in mysterious ways" way of looking at things.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:08 PM   #1924
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Sure just like that. OK, and here's the important part, as a Christian you can still believe in God's will.
Who said I was a Christian, at least the way you think, particularly by using God's will?

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The concepts are compatible. Your faith in God can be part of that acceptance that you aren't in control of the situation. It's kind of one of those "God works in mysterious ways" way of looking at things.
You're talking to the wrong person with this argument.

I control my destiny as much as my abilities allow me to. No one controls everything. That there are others or the situations of others I can't control, does not mean I think it's part of God's will. Or all the time. I don't believe in God as a man in the sky. That's your first mistake in assuming. ( I hope the latter doesn't sound rude.)

My values are Christian—don't lie, don't steal, don't covert others goods, try to treat others as I would like to be treated ( but with a caveat for me) etc. I have said before I was raised Catholic so I have those values but I don't accept all the theology.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:16 PM   #1925
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Who said I was a Christian, at least the way you think, particularly by using God's will?
I was using the word "you" in more of a universal sense. As in, if you are a Christian then that's not incompatible with concept.



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You're talking to the wrong person with this argument.

I control my destiny as much as my abilities allow me to. No one controls everything. That there are others or the situations of others I can't control, does not mean I think it's part of God's will. Or all the time. I don't believe in God as a man in the sky. That's your first mistake in assuming. ( I hope the latter doesn't sound rude.)
You misunderstand. When I refer to things that you can't control, I really mean things that you can't control. Those kids that were killed at Sandy Hook. Neither you nor I were in a position to stop that but I'll bet it upset you as much as it did me. That's one dramatic example, but people are suffering and dying every day.

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My values are Christian—don't lie, don't steal, don't covert others goods, try to treat others as I would like to be treated ( but with a caveat for me) etc. I have said before I was raised Catholic so I have those values but I don't accept all the theology.
That would be the next step. It is referenced in the last sentence of that post I made earlier. In Buddhism it is called the eightfold path.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:33 PM   #1926
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That would be the next step.
To what?

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It is referenced in the last sentence of that post I made earlier. In Buddhism it is called the eightfold path.
Which earlier post?
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:48 PM   #1927
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To what?


Which earlier post?

That post that I made earlier that started with "shit happens." Those are the four noble truths of Buddhism. Here they are in more formal speach:

1) There is suffering in the world.
2) The cause of suffering is attachment.
3) It is possible to end suffering.
4) The eightfold path is a way to end suffering.
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:50 PM   #1928
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That post that I made earlier that started with "shit happens." Those are the four noble truths of Buddhism. Here they are in more formal speach:

1) There is suffering in the world.
2) The cause of suffering is attachment.
3) It is possible to end suffering.
4) The eightfold path is a way to end suffering.
Okay. Now, what did you mean by the next step?
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But what did you mean by the next step?
The eightfold path. It's a collection of principles to aid one in achieving a healthy lifestyle.
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The eightfold path. It's a collection of principles to aid one in achieving a healthy lifestyle.
Okay. I just didn't get how it fit to the section quoted about myself.
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Okay. I just didn't get how it fit to the section quoted about myself.
When you said this:

"My values are Christian—don't lie, don't steal, don't covet others goods, try to treat others as I would like to be treated ( but with a caveat for me) etc. I have said before I was raised Catholic so I have those values but I don't accept all the theology."

Those concepts are expressed in Buddhism as well, as part of the path.
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When you said this:

"My values are Christian—don't lie, don't steal, don't covet others goods, try to treat others as I would like to be treated ( but with a caveat for me) etc. I have said before I was raised Catholic so I have those values but I don't accept all the theology."

Those concepts are expressed in Buddhism as well, as part of the path.
I got it now, as I stated. At the time, it wasn't clear because you said they were "next." Hence, my questions. To what. Anyway, that was then.
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I got it now, as I stated. At the time, it wasn't clear because you said they were "next." Hence, my questions. To what. Anyway, that was then.
Cool. I find it intriguing that the vast majority of religions (spiritual paths, belief systems, etc.) share the same bits of wisdom when you dig deep enough. There are differences, some of them profound. But they seem to be getting at essentially the same thing at their bases.
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Cool. I find it intriguing that the vast majority of religions (spiritual paths, belief systems, etc.) share the same bits of wisdom when you dig deep enough.
I almost posted that myself, since I've thought the same for a long time.
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I almost posted that myself, since I've thought the same for a long time.
That's actually the meaning of my sig pic. If you click on it, it directs you to a section of the ULC (church) web site that briefly highlights various belief systems.
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