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Old 08-31-2012, 07:24 PM  
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Why people laugh at Creationists

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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Here's the Kent Hovind Theory:



"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 10-02-2012, 03:55 PM   #226
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I've read excerpts from some, did you have an answer? A Theory? A belief to share with me?
Could you be specific?
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:55 PM   #227
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I'm asking for your definition of species. A = B = C is not a definition.

If species = kind, then what's your definition of kind?
K9 is K9, Feline is Feline, etc...
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:56 PM   #228
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No, explain where then? I have my BELIEFS from the bible, maybe it was all just so convenient and we just appeared here.
Which bible? There are several to choose from~
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:57 PM   #229
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Could you be specific?
Not really, it's not like I sat down and read through an entire book. Bits and pieces here and there.
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:57 PM   #230
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Which bible? There are several to choose from~
KJV, which btw explains everything we NEED to know on origins.
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KJV, which btw explains everything we NEED to know on origins.
of course it does. England cleared it all up for us~
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Old 10-02-2012, 03:59 PM   #232
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Not really, it's not like I sat down and read through an entire book. Bits and pieces here and there.
Well, I don't think you're well-versed on the subject. How about we make a deal: I'll read an anti-evolutionary book of your choice if you read a pro-evolutionary book of my choice?
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:03 PM   #233
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So where did life begin?
I don't know. There's not enough evidence to answer that question with a definitive answer.

This does a good job of explaining my guess on it:

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In current biological terminology "abiogenesis" refers to the emergence of life as self-replicating assemblages of organic chemicals able to control chemical energy from non-life assemblages of chemicals. This is the hypothesis that primordial life originated within the first billion years of Earth's history as a result of chemical reactions that generated larger and larger organic polymers, which ultimately attained control of bioenergetics and the property of chemical self-replication. This modern conceptualization is reasonable in view of what is now known of the biochemical basis of all life.

The processes that led from inorganic chemicals to the panoply of organic, carbon-based chemicals in primordial cells would have been governed by the non-random physical laws of chemistry, specifically those physical properties related to organic molecules. Since the processes involved would be widespread across the primordial planet, enormous numbers of molecules and macromolecules would have been generated in the first 10 billion years of Earth history. Because modern cells contain only L-amino acids, it is believed that a single primitive cell line, the universal cenancestor is the ancestor of all living cells. According to most theorists, conditions on Earth are no longer suitable for abiogenesis to occur. Unfavorable conditions apply because oxygen is 'toxic' to molecules.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:03 PM   #234
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K9 is K9, Feline is Feline, etc...
You are citing examples. I'm asking what your definition is.

When you use words like "species" and "kind" I want to be clear on your meaning. I think there is some confusion here.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:09 PM   #235
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So how can we be so sure it's correct if it isn't repeatable?

Let's start with something simple that is taught as gospel...

Billions of years ago...

How is that scientific? and not based upon belief?
Evolution is repeatable in smaller time frames. I never said it wasn't.

I think you're confused about the fact that evolution doesn't attempt to explain all change from the beginning of time forward in one giant theorem. Evolution is an explanation for species change over a finite period of time. It can't explain the origins of life, and it doesn't try, but it can explain how existing life changes over time. That's it in a nutshell. It explains the changes of what we know and can observe, over a finite period of time.
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:15 PM   #236
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KJV, which btw explains everything we NEED to know on origins.
That's a terrible outlook to take. Thinking we know ENOUGH about anything.

That's the definition of ignorance...
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:03 PM   #237
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Biblical Kind does have a equivalent scientific term that has been offered by Creationists. It is Baramin. Essentially what evolutionary scientist refer to as Family is the notion of Baramin or Kind. You have Cat Kind. From Lions to House Cats. And clearly the notion is that there was an "Adam" Cat and over time all the variations of cats have micro evolved. The Creationists spend time talking about how cats of different names (tigers, leopards, etc) CAN breed and produce offspring giving evidence that they are of the same Kind and same origin.
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:11 PM   #238
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I did not know that house cats and lions could breed together. All members of the same Family can breed with one another?
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What is disallowed is the notion that say Cats and Dogs' Families are related. Each Kind has it own Micro Evolution that leads to large degree of variability but never a connection between Kinds. It is a notion of accepting Micro Evolution because of the easily demonstrated changes based upon selective breeding or adaption processes of different animals in new environment.
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Just to make things clear, I am an Evolutionist.
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