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Why people laugh at Creationists

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 05-28-2013, 02:27 AM   #2416
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1. Darwin didn't believe what he was teaching? Complete bullshit.
2. Evolution has nothing to do with "something coming from nothing."
3. Evolution has been "re-created" and can be seen among species today.
4. Not this shit again.
1. Complete bullshit? You obviously don't even know what Darwin personally said about his teachings, which I already quoted earlier. Absolutely historical; another follower who has been persuaded by zero facts, and simply believes what he is told.

2. Evolution has nothing to do with creation, yet every person who believes in it presents it as a fact of creation of man. Get a clue.

3. It has been re-crated huh? I will accept the link of any scientist creating living matter from absolutely nothing whenever you have time to present it; thanks.

4. No shit, I am glad I was taught not to believe in Big Brother propaganda. Don't worry, we all evolved from apes, but by the time we discovered we evolved from apes, we stopped evolving, which is why there is still apes, and humans, yet nothing in between. lol, sure thing,
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Old 05-28-2013, 02:44 AM   #2417
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1. Complete bullshit? You obviously don't even know what Darwin personally said about his teachings, which I already quoted earlier. Absolutely historical; another follower who has been persuaded by zero facts, and simply believes what he is told.

2. Evolution has nothing to do with creation, yet every person who believes in it presents it as a fact of creation of man. Get a clue.

3. It has been re-crated huh? I will accept the link of any scientist creating living matter from absolutely nothing whenever you have time to present it; thanks.

4. No shit, I am glad I was taught not to believe in Big Brother propaganda. Don't worry, we all evolved from apes, but by the time we discovered we evolved from apes, we stopped evolving, which is why there is still apes, and humans, yet nothing in between. lol, sure thing,
1. Yes, complete bullshit. If you are referring to some quote about the eye, it is lifted from its context.
Technically, it doesn't matter if Darwin believed his teachings or not (which he did). He didn't invent evolution; it exists regardless of whether it is believed. If Newton didn't "believe in" gravity, it wouldn't mean that gravity didn't exist.

2 & 3. Evolution is not about the creation of life itself, creating something from nothing, or however you want to put it. Dumb to even argue it.

4. Not this shit again.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:44 AM   #2418
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I love all the hate on the Catholic beliefs, so true. I also don't understand why no hate on Darwin, a preacher of his ideas who didn't believe what he was teaching.


I can't wait tell I show my kids the beleif of evolution, and how everything was created from nothing, and how it was such a fact we created the same effect. Oh wait lol.


Open up your eyes idiots, you did not come from nothing. People like to say evolution is fact, yet no one can show to me where it has been re-created.

99% of religion is a joke, but there is a true religion, out there, that is correct. And it's not evolution and it's followers, aka Big Brotha lol.... SUCH A JOKE
Things you're missing here, IMO:

1) Evolution vs. Creationism. This thread's purpose is to point out the fallacies in Young Earth/Creationist belief pushers like Kent Hovind. There is a plethora of observed, catalogued evidence that speaks not only to the age of the earth being ancient but also to the evolutionary adaptation and change of species.

Is it 100 percent foolproof? No. That's why evolution is a theory (neither a law nor a hypothesis). Can we explain every single detail of it? No. But we also can't explain all of the inner workings of many things we know exist. Heck, there are some things about gravity that still defy us.

That doesn't mean gravity does not exist. It merely means there are certain forces whose explanation is beyond our current scientific scope. But that's the great thing about science... it's all about pushing for more clear understanding of the universe around us, and using better tools to observe more about it than we could before.

2) Accepting the facts and data that do exist and support evolution does not automatically disqualify one from following the teachings of Jesus (or Mithras, or Krishna, or whatever). It simply means recognizing the creation story as allegorical and/or mistranslated (as the word "Om" can be translated as a literal day or 'in the day of.').

If you believe Jesus is the literal Son of God whose sacrifice on the cross paid for the sins of all mankind, that's fine. This belief does not HAVE to contradicted by acknowledgement of evolution.

The only belief contradicted by acknowledgement of evolution is that the earth is young and was literally created in six 24-hour "days."

3) Your understanding of Darwin and evolution is, like many who criticize them, incomplete.

Darwin was a scientist first. There are some instances where he did acknowledge that his theory was incomplete, and that some things needed further clarification, observation and proofing. But that's why it's a theory vs. a law.

That's the beauty of science. It itself adapts and evolves (or at least our understanding does) as time goes on and understanding becomes more clear.

Here's an example. I know the whole issue of how tides work still baffles Bill O'Reilly. He's not alone in that. The ancient world was baffled, too. And even into the middle-to-latter half of the last millenium, this issue still baffled many. But with better tools, we eventually were able to observe and explain fully how the mechanics of tides work (And that they're entirely ruled by a myriad of observable forces rather than any of the colorful religious explanations)

Which perfectly illustrates my point... just because science can't explain every facet of how something works/worked does not mean the explanation must clearly be supernatural.

A supernatural explanation is not automatically ruled out. But it also is possible the tools we have to measure how that something works/worked are simply imperfect, incomplete or underdeveloped.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:26 AM   #2419
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This thread is not about Jesus.
it absolutely is...always will be..

Jesus is fixed, it's science that is the moving target.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:30 AM   #2420
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I love all the hate on the Catholic beliefs, so true. I also don't understand why no hate on Darwin, a preacher of his ideas who didn't believe what he was teaching.


I can't wait tell I show my kids the beleif of evolution, and how everything was created from nothing, and how it was such a fact we created the same effect. Oh wait lol.

Open up your eyes idiots, you did not come from nothing. People like to say evolution is fact, yet no one can show to me where it has been re-created.

99% of religion is a joke, but there is a true religion, out there, that is correct. And it's not evolution and it's followers, aka Big Brotha lol.... SUCH A JOKE
Come back when you understand the difference between evolution and abiogenesis. You obviously don't.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:17 AM   #2421
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Don't worry, we all evolved from apes, but by the time we discovered we evolved from apes, we stopped evolving, which is why there is still apes, and humans, yet nothing in between.
Well to be honest you exist. So that pretty well covers the gap in your "theory".
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:46 PM   #2422
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1. Complete bullshit? You obviously don't even know what Darwin personally said about his teachings, which I already quoted earlier. Absolutely historical; another follower who has been persuaded by zero facts, and simply believes what he is told.
2. Evolution has nothing to do with creation, yet every person who believes in it presents it as a fact of creation of man. Get a clue.

3. It has been re-crated huh? I will accept the link of any scientist creating living matter from absolutely nothing whenever you have time to present it; thanks.

4. No shit, I am glad I was taught not to believe in Big Brother propaganda. Don't worry, we all evolved from apes, but by the time we discovered we evolved from apes, we stopped evolving, which is why there is still apes, and humans, yet nothing in between. lol, sure thing,
It simply amazes me the utter arrogance displayed here. I often wonder if people such as yourself have ever bothered to even read the books you base your personal beliefs on. The Old Testament is a despicable collection of writings that condones and endorses genocide, rape, slavery, and pedophilia. The New Testament is filled with books thrown together in a poor attempt to reconstruct events long after they had occurred. Numerous books were dismissed. If you are interested read up on Emperor Constantine to find the first versions of the book you read today.

The writers of the bible could not agree on the most basic parts of the bible. I would also suggest God is not Great chapters 7 and 8. In chapter 8 he writes about the New Testament. Hitchens outlines the inaccuracy in Luke's attempt to triangulate three world events of the time with Jesus's birth (viz, the census ordered by Caesar Augustus of the entire Roman world, the reign of King Herod in Judea and that of Quirinius as governor of Syria. He further relates that there is no record by any Roman historian of any Augustan census, and that, although "the Jewish chronicler Josephus mentions one that did occur—without the onerous requirement for people to return to their places of birth", it was undertaken "six years after the birth of Jesus is supposed to have taken place." In addition Hitchens notes that Herod died in 4 BC, and that Quirinius was not governor of Syria during his tenure.

I would also encourage you to read up on Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. He headed up the Human Genome Project and Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill also the former Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies. Both are Christians. It should be noted that your main line of "big brother" is from the book 1984 where big brother is the enemy and it was written by George Orwell who was atheist. It is a good book also and if you have not read it you should~
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Things you're missing here, IMO:

1) Evolution vs. Creationism. This thread's purpose is to point out the fallacies in Young Earth/Creationist belief pushers like Kent Hovind. There is a plethora of observed, catalogued evidence that speaks not only to the age of the earth being ancient but also to the evolutionary adaptation and change of species.

Is it 100 percent foolproof? No. That's why evolution is a theory (neither a law nor a hypothesis). Can we explain every single detail of it? No. But we also can't explain all of the inner workings of many things we know exist. Heck, there are some things about gravity that still defy us.

That doesn't mean gravity does not exist. It merely means there are certain forces whose explanation is beyond our current scientific scope. But that's the great thing about science... it's all about pushing for more clear understanding of the universe around us, and using better tools to observe more about it than we could before.

2) Accepting the facts and data that do exist and support evolution does not automatically disqualify one from following the teachings of Jesus (or Mithras, or Krishna, or whatever). It simply means recognizing the creation story as allegorical and/or mistranslated (as the word "Om" can be translated as a literal day or 'in the day of.').

If you believe Jesus is the literal Son of God whose sacrifice on the cross paid for the sins of all mankind, that's fine. This belief does not HAVE to contradicted by acknowledgement of evolution.

The only belief contradicted by acknowledgement of evolution is that the earth is young and was literally created in six 24-hour "days."

3) Your understanding of Darwin and evolution is, like many who criticize them, incomplete.

Darwin was a scientist first. There are some instances where he did acknowledge that his theory was incomplete, and that some things needed further clarification, observation and proofing. But that's why it's a theory vs. a law.

That's the beauty of science. It itself adapts and evolves (or at least our understanding does) as time goes on and understanding becomes more clear.

Here's an example. I know the whole issue of how tides work still baffles Bill O'Reilly. He's not alone in that. The ancient world was baffled, too. And even into the middle-to-latter half of the last millenium, this issue still baffled many. But with better tools, we eventually were able to observe and explain fully how the mechanics of tides work (And that they're entirely ruled by a myriad of observable forces rather than any of the colorful religious explanations)

Which perfectly illustrates my point... just because science can't explain every facet of how something works/worked does not mean the explanation must clearly be supernatural.

A supernatural explanation is not automatically ruled out. But it also is possible the tools we have to measure how that something works/worked are simply imperfect, incomplete or underdeveloped.
You post is great but I just wanted to correct you on one thing. Theories do not graduate and become laws; that's to say there is no hierarchy between the two. They are two different concepts. The basic difference is that laws more describe what nature does under a specific circumstance while theories explain how nature works. A good way to disguise between the two is that theories ask why something happens while laws concentrate on what happens. A lot of time it gets broken up between mathematical (laws) and non-mathematical (theories). You see a lot of laws in chemistry and physics while in biology you see very few. Just wanted to point that out. Again, good post.
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You post is great but I just wanted to correct you on one thing. Theories do not graduate and become laws; that's to say there is no hierarchy between the two. They are two different concepts. The basic difference is that laws more describe what nature does under a specific circumstance while theories explain how nature works. A good way to disguise between the two is that theories ask why something happens while laws concentrate on what happens. A lot of time it gets broken up between mathematical (laws) and non-mathematical (theories). You see a lot of laws in chemistry and physics while in biology you see very few. Just wanted to point that out. Again, good post.
It wasn't my intent to say a theory graduates into a law, but I can see how it might have sounded like I was headed that way.

Thanks for putting it in better terms for me.
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Things you're missing here, IMO:

1) Evolution vs. Creationism. This thread's purpose is to point out the fallacies in Young Earth/Creationist belief pushers like Kent Hovind. There is a plethora of observed, catalogued evidence that speaks not only to the age of the earth being ancient but also to the evolutionary adaptation and change of species.

Is it 100 percent foolproof? No. That's why evolution is a theory (neither a law nor a hypothesis). Can we explain every single detail of it? No. But we also can't explain all of the inner workings of many things we know exist. Heck, there are some things about gravity that still defy us.

That doesn't mean gravity does not exist. It merely means there are certain forces whose explanation is beyond our current scientific scope. But that's the great thing about science... it's all about pushing for more clear understanding of the universe around us, and using better tools to observe more about it than we could before.

2) Accepting the facts and data that do exist and support evolution does not automatically disqualify one from following the teachings of Jesus (or Mithras, or Krishna, or whatever). It simply means recognizing the creation story as allegorical and/or mistranslated (as the word "Om" can be translated as a literal day or 'in the day of.').

If you believe Jesus is the literal Son of God whose sacrifice on the cross paid for the sins of all mankind, that's fine. This belief does not HAVE to contradicted by acknowledgement of evolution.

The only belief contradicted by acknowledgement of evolution is that the earth is young and was literally created in six 24-hour "days."

3) Your understanding of Darwin and evolution is, like many who criticize them, incomplete.

Darwin was a scientist first. There are some instances where he did acknowledge that his theory was incomplete, and that some things needed further clarification, observation and proofing. But that's why it's a theory vs. a law.

That's the beauty of science. It itself adapts and evolves (or at least our understanding does) as time goes on and understanding becomes more clear.

Here's an example. I know the whole issue of how tides work still baffles Bill O'Reilly. He's not alone in that. The ancient world was baffled, too. And even into the middle-to-latter half of the last millenium, this issue still baffled many. But with better tools, we eventually were able to observe and explain fully how the mechanics of tides work (And that they're entirely ruled by a myriad of observable forces rather than any of the colorful religious explanations)

Which perfectly illustrates my point... just because science can't explain every facet of how something works/worked does not mean the explanation must clearly be supernatural.

A supernatural explanation is not automatically ruled out. But it also is possible the tools we have to measure how that something works/worked are simply imperfect, incomplete or underdeveloped.
You can't talk rationally with a guy who doesn't even realize the Pope and the church acknowledge evolution and believe in it.
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It simply amazes me the utter arrogance displayed here. I often wonder if people such as yourself have ever bothered to even read the books you base your personal beliefs on. The Old Testament is a despicable collection of writings that condones and endorses genocide, rape, slavery, and pedophilia. The New Testament is filled with books thrown together in a poor attempt to reconstruct events long after they had occurred. Numerous books were dismissed. If you are interested read up on Emperor Constantine to find the first versions of the book you read today.

The writers of the bible could not agree on the most basic parts of the bible. I would also suggest God is not Great chapters 7 and 8. In chapter 8 he writes about the New Testament. Hitchens outlines the inaccuracy in Luke's attempt to triangulate three world events of the time with Jesus's birth (viz, the census ordered by Caesar Augustus of the entire Roman world, the reign of King Herod in Judea and that of Quirinius as governor of Syria. He further relates that there is no record by any Roman historian of any Augustan census, and that, although "the Jewish chronicler Josephus mentions one that did occur—without the onerous requirement for people to return to their places of birth", it was undertaken "six years after the birth of Jesus is supposed to have taken place." In addition Hitchens notes that Herod died in 4 BC, and that Quirinius was not governor of Syria during his tenure.

I would also encourage you to read up on Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. He headed up the Human Genome Project and Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill also the former Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies. Both are Christians. It should be noted that your main line of "big brother" is from the book 1984 where big brother is the enemy and it was written by George Orwell who was atheist. It is a good book also and if you have not read it you should~
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It simply amazes me the utter arrogance displayed here. I often wonder if people such as yourself have ever bothered to even read the books you base your personal beliefs on. The Old Testament is a despicable collection of writings that condones and endorses genocide, rape, slavery, and pedophilia. The New Testament is filled with books thrown together in a poor attempt to reconstruct events long after they had occurred. Numerous books were dismissed. If you are interested read up on Emperor Constantine to find the first versions of the book you read today.

The writers of the bible could not agree on the most basic parts of the bible. I would also suggest God is not Great chapters 7 and 8. In chapter 8 he writes about the New Testament. Hitchens outlines the inaccuracy in Luke's attempt to triangulate three world events of the time with Jesus's birth (viz, the census ordered by Caesar Augustus of the entire Roman world, the reign of King Herod in Judea and that of Quirinius as governor of Syria. He further relates that there is no record by any Roman historian of any Augustan census, and that, although "the Jewish chronicler Josephus mentions one that did occur—without the onerous requirement for people to return to their places of birth", it was undertaken "six years after the birth of Jesus is supposed to have taken place." In addition Hitchens notes that Herod died in 4 BC, and that Quirinius was not governor of Syria during his tenure.

I would also encourage you to read up on Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. He headed up the Human Genome Project and Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill also the former Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies. Both are Christians. It should be noted that your main line of "big brother" is from the book 1984 where big brother is the enemy and it was written by George Orwell who was atheist. It is a good book also and if you have not read it you should~
This has to be the most uniformed, complete bullshit I have ever seen in the history of CP. Did you get these theories off of a piece of toilet paper or does making up this kind of shit just come naturally to you?
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This has to be the most uniformed, complete bullshit I have ever seen in the history of CP. Did you get these theories off of a piece of toilet paper or does making up this kind of shit just come naturally to you?
What did Hitchens get incorrect?
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This has to be the most uniformed, complete bullshit I have ever seen in the history of CP. Did you get these theories off of a piece of toilet paper or does making up this kind of shit just come naturally to you?
Feel free to post anything that is false Tom. This has been reviewed by everyone for over 5 years and has past the test. Maybe you Tom are just the man to prove it wrong
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