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Old 08-31-2012, 06:24 PM  
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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
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Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:01 PM   #2701
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The real world (not your bubble) doesn't work in absolutes and I do not usually speak in them.

If you want to know what is wishy washy, address your morals.

It's bad to kill, except when it's okay. It's bad to steal, except when it's okay. It's cool to beat your kids, except not anymore. It's okay to own slaves, until it's not anymore.

That's wishy washy son. Making a claim without the use of absolutes is not wish washy. Wishy washy is inconsistent flip floppy bullshit.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:02 PM   #2702
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The real world (not your bubble) doesn't work in absolutes and I do not usually speak in them.

If you want to know what is wishy washy, address your morals.

It's bad to kill, except when it's okay. It's bad to steal, except when it's okay. It's cool to beat your kids, except not anymore. It's okay to own slaves, until it's not anymore.

That's wishy washy son. Making a claim without the use of absolutes is not wish washy. Wishy washy is inconsistent flip floppy bullshit.
Oh so you're lying now? when have I killed? stolen? and beat your kids? nice try.

IT'S the SCIENCE of lying.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:03 PM   #2703
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Oh so you're lying now? when have I killed? stolen? and beat your kids? nice try.

IT'S the SCIENCE of lying.
reading comprehension is your friend...
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:05 PM   #2704
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reading comprehension is your friend...
Yes it is, deflecting is not.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:05 PM   #2705
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Ah, became a man of this world. Well enjoy your time here, hope it was worth it to you.
Became a man of reason/a man of science. Stopped being a boy of faith.

Everything I have learned and experienced points to religion (universally, not just Christianity) being an expression of man's inability to look into the abyss and accept the nothingness that awaits us all at death.

Ultimately, the biggest sticking point for me is (now that I'm a non-believer), was (when I was a believer) and always will be WHY if Jesus is Lord and Jehovah is God, the reveal of the Truth and the Word was so limited.

If the only way to the Father and salvation is through the Son, why wasn't the Truth shared more widely? What about the poor souls far removed from the poor, backwards, weak tribe Jehovah chose as His? Those who had no change to hear the disciples? Those billions condemned to be left behind or tortured forever because they didn't accept a god they'd never heard of as god.

If the religion was THE Truth and Jehovah was THE God, why stop with Israel? Why not reveal the Truth to others, once Jesus came, instead of relying on Jesus' followers - comprised mostly of the poor and low of stature - to spread it?

I've never received an answer that truly satisfies me there. It became harder and harder to accept the answers provided as I got older. And it became harder and harder to accept an all-knowing, all-loving, all-seeing God that could allow so many billions to perish without a shot at the only way to come to him.

(and yes, I am familiar with Paul's comments about God being revealed in nature/etc. and also find those to be insufficient).
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:07 PM   #2706
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Became a man of reason/a man of science. Stopped being a boy of faith.

Everything I have learned and experienced points to religion (universally, not just Christianity) being an expression of man's inability to look into the abyss and accept the nothingness that awaits us all at death.

Ultimately, the biggest sticking point for me is (now that I'm a non-believer), was (when I was a believer) and always will be WHY if Jesus is Lord and Jehovah is God, the reveal of the Truth and the Word was so limited.

If the only way to the Father and salvation is through the Son, why wasn't the Truth shared more widely? What about the poor souls far removed from the poor, backwards, weak tribe Jehovah chose as His? Those who had no change to hear the disciples? Those billions condemned to be left behind or tortured forever because they didn't accept a god they'd never heard of as god.

If the religion was THE Truth and Jehovah was THE God, why stop with Israel? Why not reveal the Truth to others, once Jesus came, instead of relying on Jesus' followers - comprised mostly of the poor and low of stature - to spread it?

I've never received an answer that truly satisfies me there. It became harder and harder to accept the answers provided as I got older. And it became harder and harder to accept an all-knowing, all-loving, all-seeing God that could allow so many billions to perish without a shot at the only way to come to him.

(and yes, I am familiar with Paul's comments about God being revealed in nature/etc. and also find those to be insufficient).
You always have the spirit to adhere/reject, everyone has the visitation of life before the visitation of death. Perish in the physical? because my bible states everyone has eternal life.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:11 PM   #2707
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Yes it is, deflecting is not.
what, are you going to start talking like bep now?

as for reading comprehension, it's not really your friend...

you suck at it... nttawwt...
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:13 PM   #2708
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Atheists believe our universe, with all of its vast expanses, complexities and wonders, came into being on its own, from nothing. And look down on anyone who would question that.

It's no use discussing it with them.

It's one thing to question the Biblical account, and quite another to dismiss the possibility of God entirely. But they will, and they are more evangelistic about it than most religious people.
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what, are you going to start talking like bep now?

as for reading comprehension, it's not really your friend...

you suck at it... nttawwt...
Your argument is simply words, logic does not exist in it.
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You always have the spirit to adhere/reject, everyone has the visitation of life before the visitation of death. Perish in the physical? because my bible states everyone has eternal life.

the point you deflected from was that YOUR bible states lots of shit that is directly contradictory and most far right bible-thumpers seem only to willing to pick and choose which parts must be followed...

maybe there are other bibles that state whatever i want them to say, why is yours so special?
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Atheists believe our universe, with all of its vast expanses, complexities and wonders, came into being on its own, from nothing. And look down on anyone who would question that.

It's no use discussing it with them.

It's one thing to question the Biblical account, and quite another to dismiss the possibility of God entirely. But they will, and they are more evangelistic about it than most religious people.
I built a supercomputer out nothing, only thing is you can't see it. I will browbeat anyone that can't see it, because it's kind of..sort of..there.
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your bible is simply words, logic and reason do not exist in it...
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the point you deflected from was that YOUR bible states lots of shit that is directly contradictory and most far right bible-thumpers seem only to willing to pick and choose which parts must be followed...

maybe there are other bibles that state whatever i want them to say, why is yours so special?
It is not contradictory if you have the Holy Spirit guiding you. Now if Satan is your guide then yes you would question everything and be right to not even attempt to understand.
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I built a religion out nothing, only thing is you can't see it. I will browbeat anyone that can't see it, because it's kind of..sort of..there.
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exactly, those that claim to be atheist are nothing more than religious zealots.
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