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Old 08-31-2012, 07:24 PM  
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Why people laugh at Creationists

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 07-31-2013, 02:55 PM   #2746
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How do you know any of this is true? We don't know the conditions before the Big Bang. There may have been stuff everywhere.
What stuff? the stuff that didn't exist?
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:55 PM   #2747
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Alot of parents who laid out the religion end up with atheist children.

Alot of parents who were atheist end up with religious children.
What's your gut feel on percentages?
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:56 PM   #2748
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What stuff? the stuff that didn't exist?
Who says there was nothing before the Big Bang?
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:56 PM   #2749
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What's your gut feel on percentages?
It would only be right if one of your kids grew up preaching to you.
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:56 PM   #2750
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How do you know any of this is true? We don't know the conditions before the Big Bang. There may have been stuff everywhere.
I don't. How do you know the Big Bang is true?
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:57 PM   #2751
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Who says there was nothing before the Big Bang?
Well that was to explain where something came from, how did we get something from nothing? where did it start? God created the physical plane for us, which is why we're restricted to time and the death guaranteed thereof. Death will be the last enemy we face.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:00 PM   #2752
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Well that is partially true, but the physical existence is not our eternal reward. Eye has not seen, ear has not heard what the Lord has in store for us. If this is it I want a refund.
So are you more worried about saving yourself or the world?
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:00 PM   #2753
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You're almost there. Calling me hypocritical, but not seeing it in yourself.

I can imagine a God that is outside of our universe, and not subject to its laws, that created a physical universe where certain laws apply.

I cannot imagine nothing turning into something for no reason at all, especially something as complex as the universe.


I admit freely, I may be wrong. But I choose to believe in a God.

Can you admit that you may be wrong?
The two bolded sentences contradict each other though. Not sure why you cannot see that. You can't imagine nothing turning into something, yet you can imagine nothing turning into God....

I can absolutely admit that I may be wrong.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:01 PM   #2754
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So are you more worried about saving yourself or the world?
Neither, you do what you can to help others get there but worrying will get nothing done. I'm ready whenever the Good Lord is to take me.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:02 PM   #2755
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It drives me nuts when people focus some much on the "after life". Jesus came to save the world, to restore Eden, to make things right through him. The goal is not to get to Heaven, but to bring Heaven to Earth. I could go on, but I understand I'm speaking on deaf ears here and I just had to vent that point before I get out of this cesspool of a thread.
i'm not familiar with this concept, would you mind disclosing which denomination espouses that concept?

frankly, that point of view is more appealing than the after life promises...
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Neither, you do what you can to help others get there but worrying will get nothing done. I'm ready whenever the Good Lord is to take me.
Sorry man, but you are missing the big picture.
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I don't. How do you know the Big Bang is true?
We have photographic evidence. As a amateur astronomer I study these things. I see the experiments I understand what the evidence is showing us. It's abundantly clear the Big Bang occurred and just as obvious there was something before it too.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:03 PM   #2758
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Sorry man, but you are missing the big picture.
What big picture? We make our own choices, and we will live with them.
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Well that was to explain where something came from, how did we get something from nothing? where did it start? God created the physical plane for us, which is why we're restricted to time and the death guaranteed thereof. Death will be the last enemy we face.
So you say it. I don't know any reasonable person that has a scientific mind that agrees. There maybe some out there but what was before the Big Bang is unknowable to our current technology.
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Old 07-31-2013, 03:04 PM   #2760
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The two bolded sentences contradict each other though. Not sure why you cannot see that. You can't imagine nothing turning into something, yet you can imagine nothing turning into God....

I can absolutely admit that I may be wrong.
We don't know what laws, if any, apply to anything outside our universe, so it doesn't necessarily imply that nothing turned into God. Things like time, space and matter may not even be involved. God simply is. And always has been.

Can I prove that? No more than you can prove something came from nothing and the universe appeared.
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