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Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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Old 09-20-2013, 12:15 PM   #2971
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not casting any judgement at all, at least that is not my intent.
I am not sinless and I am not perfect...but you know that.
I am simply stating that Sodom and Gomorrah is not a myth and there is archelogical evidence that the ruins are there and that those cities existed and sulpher and brimstone have been found to be there. I don't find that a coinsidence. I am simply stating that I believe the Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction and the reason for it.
Help me understand how that is judging you?
The myth I am referring to is the destruction of a state by a vengeful God, brought about by that state's unwillingness to follow God's law. You very clearly implied that granting gay marriage rights would be acting in parallel to this mythology. Expressing this concept is an act of judgement both on the state that passes the law and the people who would benefit by it. As I said, I don't have to be mistreated personally to refuse to condone that mistreatment.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:22 PM   #2972
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The myth I am referring to is the destruction of a state by a vengeful God, brought about by that state's unwillingness to follow God's law. You very clearly implied that granting gay marriage rights would be acting in parallel to this mythology. Expressing this concept is an act of judgement both on the state that passes the law and the people who would benefit by it. As I said, I don't have to be mistreated personally to refuse to condone that mistreatment.
SR said it happened....I said Sodom and Gomorrah....you said myth...I said no since I believe the Bible...and your inference of myth? implied to me that you don't believe it.
Whether God will destroy other cities due to their wickedness and ignoring his direction is left up only to Him. I didn't clearly imply and judge anything. I am saying what he did in SG and the reason for it.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:26 PM   #2973
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SR said it happened....I said Sodom and Gomorrah....you said myth...I said no since I believe the Bible...and your inference of myth? implied to me that you don't believe it.
Whether God will destroy other cities due to their wickedness and ignoring his direction is left up only to Him. I didn't clearly imply and judge anything. I am saying what he did in SG and the reason for it.
Why exactly would you reference S&G in response to the video that Dave Lane posted?
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:26 PM   #2974
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SR said it happened....I said Sodom and Gomorrah....you said myth...I said no since I believe the Bible...and your inference of myth? implied to me that you don't believe it.
Whether God will destroy other cities due to their wickedness and ignoring his direction is left up only to Him. I didn't clearly imply and judge anything. I am saying what he did in SG and the reason for it.
SG were destroyed because of the expectancy of immoral behavior.

It's why God accepted Abrahams barter that if he could find ten righteous men, God would spare the city.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:30 PM   #2975
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not casting any judgement at all, at least that is not my intent.
I am not sinless and I am not perfect...but you know that.
I am simply stating that Sodom and Gomorrah is not a myth and there is archelogical evidence that the ruins are there and that those cities existed and sulpher and brimstone have been found to be there. I don't find that a coinsidence. I am simply stating that I believe the Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction and the reason for it.
Help me understand how that is judging you?
What would be the significance of sulfur? Sulfur is a very abundant element that is found everywhere. And FYI.... brimstone is sulfur....
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:35 PM   #2976
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Why exactly would you reference S&G in response to the video that Dave Lane posted?
well excuse me for quoting that post when I meant to quote SR's post.
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But that doesn't matter, I stand by what I posted and all your crying foul, unfair, claiming I am sinning against God by drawing attention to it does not change my stance on the matter.
S&G happned, it is clear as to why.
What happens from that point forward is in God's hand. He will do as He sees fits and when He chooses.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:37 PM   #2977
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What would be the significance of sulfur? Sulfur is a very abundant element that is found everywhere. And FYI.... brimstone is sulfur....
Sulfur in those two locations was found to be 98%.
That concentration is an anomoly from what I understand, but feel free to correct that.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:55 PM   #2978
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well excuse me for quoting that post when I meant to quote SR's post.
I had to windows opened at once
But that doesn't matter, I stand by what I posted and all your crying foul, unfair, claiming I am sinning against God by drawing attention to it does not change my stance on the matter.
S&G happned, it is clear as to why.
What happens from that point forward is in God's hand. He will do as He sees fits and when He chooses.
I can only comment on what you post. If you post incorrectly, leading to a misunderstanding, then you are responsible for either amending your statements or clarifying them. With that being said you have now owned your mistake and stand by the implication regardless of original intent. In my opinion it is really up to you to decide how you are going to judge other people. I think that you have to do it in order to function in a society as there will be people that you need to refrain from associating with. If you choose to believe in the mythology of a vengeful God destroying a state because God's laws weren't being followed by that state, then you are certainly within your rights to hold that belief. You are also free to vote on issues as they come up based solely on what you think God wants you to do. What you aren't allowed to do is break laws based solely on your religious beliefs, and what our country isn't allowed to do is create laws based solely on religious beliefs. What I am certainly allowed to do is to point out the ridiculous nature of the fear mongering that extremists engage in when attempting to discuss social issues. Make no mistake here. That's what you are doing. You are hinting at and implying that God will destroy our society because legalizing gay marriage goes against your religious beliefs, and your interpretation of God's Will. Obviously the threat that is inherent in your belief system worked on you. You live in fear of that threat and it shows. As for myself, I choose not to live in fear.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:24 PM   #2979
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Sulfur in those two locations was found to be 98%.
That concentration is an anomoly from what I understand, but feel free to correct that.
What you are referring to are claims from one Ron Wyatt, who was a Christian wannabe archaeologist. His other "Archaeological" claims include finding the site of Noah's ark, Noah's post-flood house and grave, the Sodom and Gomorrah site, the site of the Tower of Babel, crossing of the Red Sea, Mt. Sinai, the site of Christ's crucifixion, etc. Which has of course been debunking by scientists, actual archaeologists, and even biblical scholars. It's very much in question whether the locations are even the same as the biblical story. Let alone the testing of sulfur concentrations. If you look around, the only places making this claim are using Ron Wyatt's claim.

3% of the Earth's mass is sulfur. Which is actually quite a lot. It's very abundant. So it's really not that unlikely to find deposits of it. Finding 98% concentrations of it from natural formation would be unlikely. But I'd need to see some proof other than claims from the Evangelical Adventurer Ron Wyatt.
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wrong side of history?

History shows that any culture that was sexually permissive hasn't lasted more than 3 generations.
Wow. Even knowing SR's posting history this one floors me.

I started to ask for a link and then I was FFS it's sr.
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Old 09-20-2013, 02:53 PM   #2981
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Matthew, like the rest of the Bible, is supernaturally inspired, there are factors about the book that point to this..if I give you these factors to use, can you reproduce something similar..? you know, one book as opposed to "reading a bunch of hard ones"?
This is pretty supernatural. And from Matthew.

Matthew 27:52-53....Zombies?

From the Book of Matthew, chapter 27:

27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

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Now, I've never seen dead people rise from their graves, but I have seen a lot of zombie movies. And when dead corpses walk around a city, it tends to be very memorable for those involved. My question is why didn't any contemporary historians write about something as important as the events described above, if the account is literally true?
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I can only comment on what you post. If you post incorrectly, leading to a misunderstanding, then you are responsible for either amending your statements or clarifying them. With that being said you have now owned your mistake and stand by the implication regardless of original intent. In my opinion it is really up to you to decide how you are going to judge other people. I think that you have to do it in order to function in a society as there will be people that you need to refrain from associating with. If you choose to believe in the mythology of a vengeful God destroying a state because God's laws weren't being followed by that state, then you are certainly within your rights to hold that belief. You are also free to vote on issues as they come up based solely on what you think God wants you to do. What you aren't allowed to do is break laws based solely on your religious beliefs, and what our country isn't allowed to do is create laws based solely on religious beliefs. What I am certainly allowed to do is to point out the ridiculous nature of the fear mongering that extremists engage in when attempting to discuss social issues. Make no mistake here. That's what you are doing. You are hinting at and implying that God will destroy our society because legalizing gay marriage goes against your religious beliefs, and your interpretation of God's Will. Obviously the threat that is inherent in your belief system worked on you. You live in fear of that threat and it shows. As for myself, I choose not to live in fear.
I haven't claimed or threatened that God will destroy the state for passing laws for anything. I did state that God destroyed S&G for wickedness (including homo sexuality) . I don't live any where near fear. I have tremendous peace. You can claim anything you want regarding my intent and be wrong doing it.
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Wow. Even knowing SR's posting history this one floors me.

I started to ask for a link and then I was FFS it's sr.
What gets me, is that we're discussing Sodom and Gomorrah. In which angels from heaven supposedly came to Lot and demanded that he give them his male Sodom guests to have sex with. Which he refused, and offered up his virgin daughters for them to have sex with them instead. Which they refused and revealed their angelic nature by making him blind, and threatened Lot with divine punishment. God supposedly destroyed the towns because of homosexuality and sexual deviance. After this act of loving genocide, God also killed Lot's wife because she looked the wrong direction.

This is the Godly act we're discussing the merits of.........
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I haven't claimed or threatened that God will destroy the state for passing laws for anything. I did state that God destroyed S&G for wickedness (including homo sexuality) . I don't live any where near fear. I have tremendous peace. You can claim anything you want regarding my intent and be wrong doing it.
Yeah, actually you did imply that by referencing S&G in response to that video, then stating that you stand by doing that even though it was a mistake. So I'll ask you again: What does the story of S&G have to do with that video?
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What gets me, is that we're discussing Sodom and Gomorrah. In which angels from heaven supposedly came to Lot and demanded that he give them his male Sodom guests to have sex with. Which he refused, and offered up his virgin daughters for them to have sex with them instead. Which they refused and revealed their angelic nature by making him blind, and threatened Lot with divine punishment. God supposedly destroyed the towns because of homosexuality and sexual deviance. After this act of loving genocide, God also killed Lot's wife because she looked the wrong direction.

This is the Godly act we're discussing the merits of.........
it's all those damned pillowbitergots ****ing up the show!

fred and his merry band must be right after all, we're all gonna die because we love pillowbiters...

bring on the fire and brimstone!!
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