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Old 08-31-2012, 06:24 PM  
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Why people laugh at Creationists

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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 01-29-2014, 10:10 AM   #3481
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Why am I more moral than your god?

Well, the first, and most obvious reason is because I've never threatened someone I claim to love with eternal torture for not loving me back.

Secondly, I've never commanded genocide. I've never told people they should kill all the men and women in a town, but may keep the virgins for themselves.

I've never sent two bears to tear apart a group of children for calling my friend bald. I've never owned a slave or told people it was ok to do so.

I've never instructed a rapist to marry his victim. I've condemned child molestation on several occasions... something your god didn't seem to have room for in the bible. Lastly, I've never known of a priest that was sexually abusing a child, had the power to stop it, but did nothing about it.

Need I go on?

I didn't think so.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:19 AM   #3482
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Old 01-29-2014, 08:32 PM   #3483
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Why am I more moral than your god?

Well, the first, and most obvious reason is because I've never threatened someone I claim to love with eternal torture for not loving me back.

Secondly, I've never commanded genocide. I've never told people they should kill all the men and women in a town, but may keep the virgins for themselves.

I've never sent two bears to tear apart a group of children for calling my friend bald. I've never owned a slave or told people it was ok to do so.

I've never instructed a rapist to marry his victim. I've condemned child molestation on several occasions... something your god didn't seem to have room for in the bible. Lastly, I've never known of a priest that was sexually abusing a child, had the power to stop it, but did nothing about it.

Need I go on?

I didn't think so.
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Old 01-29-2014, 10:23 PM   #3484
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Well, son of a bitch, so am I. How odd. Anyway, has this been posted in here yet:


Love Tyson personally.

I'll say this though... Atheist is often misinterpreted and I understand why he doesn't want an association.. but atheism is not subscribing to theism.

Agnostic is a fishy term. With the exception of anti-theists (as Hitchens liked to describe himself... folks who abhor religion) almost all atheists are, by definition, agnostic. They're not subscribing to something.

What they are not actually doing is subscribing to the idea that there is nothing. That's a nihilist.
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Old 01-30-2014, 01:45 AM   #3485
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Love Tyson personally.

I'll say this though... Atheist is often misinterpreted and I understand why he doesn't want an association.. but atheism is not subscribing to theism.

Agnostic is a fishy term. With the exception of anti-theists (as Hitchens liked to describe himself... folks who abhor religion) almost all atheists are, by definition, agnostic. They're not subscribing to something.

What they are not actually doing is subscribing to the idea that there is nothing. That's a nihilist.
As I recall atheism just means a disbelief in God(s) and theism would be a belief in God(s). Agnostic means that the issue is unknowable. It's kind of a play on the term "gnostic" but not meant to be directly opposed to gnosticism.
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:20 AM   #3486
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I think its theist or non thiest (Atheist). I also think there is evangelical (for lack of a better word) Atheists and just don't care Atheists. NDT falls into the latter camp. Its fine to call it Agnostic but either you believe or you dont. He doesn't and I don't care how he cares to label himself.
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Old 01-30-2014, 10:23 AM   #3487
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I think its theist or non thiest (Atheist). I also think there is evangelical (for lack of a better word) Atheists and just don't care Atheists. NDT falls into the latter camp. Its fine to call it Agnostic but either you believe or you dont. He doesn't and I don't care how he cares to label himself.
The atheist/agnostic label seems to mean different things to different people. Within the context of some definitions I've seen, I would be referred to as an agnostic atheist.
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Old 01-30-2014, 09:12 PM   #3488
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Old 01-31-2014, 06:47 AM   #3489
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Why am I more moral than your god?

Well, the first, and most obvious reason is because I've never threatened someone I claim to love with eternal torture for not loving me back.

Secondly, I've never commanded genocide. I've never told people they should kill all the men and women in a town, but may keep the virgins for themselves.

I've never sent two bears to tear apart a group of children for calling my friend bald. I've never owned a slave or told people it was ok to do so.

I've never instructed a rapist to marry his victim. I've condemned child molestation on several occasions... something your god didn't seem to have room for in the bible. Lastly, I've never known of a priest that was sexually abusing a child, had the power to stop it, but did nothing about it.

Need I go on?

I didn't think so.
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Old 01-31-2014, 08:04 AM   #3490
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The atheist/agnostic label seems to mean different things to different people. Within the context of some definitions I've seen, I would be referred to as an agnostic atheist.
The problem is the bias in language for me. If you see something scurry across the road you ask, "WHAT is that." If it is ambulatory upright you may ask, "WHO is that." The WHATs in the world almost infinitely, out number the WHOs. And yet the language is almost always about the relationship between WHOs. This is seen in the counts of self and other human references in all most all languages. It is first and foremost, a tool for interaction between people. That you then shoe horn god into this language setting, even saying the "word is god," shows the restriction that makes words and language the only source to god. So then the arguments proceed within the language and is so very prejudiced.

My Agnosticism reflects the unknowns in a vast universe beyond and independent of words. My Atheism reflects my rejection of limiting god to human's language as the unique, primary tool to knowledge about god.
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The problem is the bias in language for me. If you see something scurry across the road you ask, "WHAT is that." If it is ambulatory upright you may ask, "WHO is that." The WHATs in the world almost infinitely, out number the WHOs. And yet the language is almost always about the relationship between WHOs. This is seen in the counts of self and other human references in all most all languages. It is first and foremost, a tool for interaction between people. That you then shoe horn god into this language setting, even saying the "word is god," shows the restriction that makes words and language the only source to god. So then the arguments proceed within the language and is so very prejudiced.

My Agnosticism reflects the unknowns in a vast universe beyond and independent of words. My Atheism reflects my rejection of limiting god to human's language as the unique, primary tool to knowledge about god.
My atheism extends to all of the man-made religions here on earth however I am agnostic about the possibility of there being super intelligent superpowerful beings that either caused the universe to come into being or control some portion of it.
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Old 01-31-2014, 10:14 AM   #3492
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The problem is the bias in language for me. If you see something scurry across the road you ask, "WHAT is that." If it is ambulatory upright you may ask, "WHO is that." The WHATs in the world almost infinitely, out number the WHOs. And yet the language is almost always about the relationship between WHOs. This is seen in the counts of self and other human references in all most all languages. It is first and foremost, a tool for interaction between people. That you then shoe horn god into this language setting, even saying the "word is god," shows the restriction that makes words and language the only source to god. So then the arguments proceed within the language and is so very prejudiced.

My Agnosticism reflects the unknowns in a vast universe beyond and independent of words. My Atheism reflects my rejection of limiting god to human's language as the unique, primary tool to knowledge about god.
Yes, I recently stumbled across "ignosticism/igtheism" or "theological noncognitivism." It seems to address the same difficulties you've expressed in the language, without suggesting a solution other than demanding that all terms be clearly defined. I agree with that notion.
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Old 01-31-2014, 12:59 PM   #3493
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As a scientist I have dealt with all kinds of systems of knowledge that require no human existence even. The mathematical or logical systems do not reference humans. Understanding those systems then lets humans "harvest" advantages from those systems and sets the limits that those systems can be tapped. And to revisit Napoleon's question to Laplace, "You have written this huge book on the system of the world without once mentioning the author of the universe."
To which Laplace replies, "Sire, I had no need of that hypothesis."

So much of the mechanistic reasoning of Newtonian Physics requires no additional explanation. The only reason ones are offered is because of this human and language bias to direct all discussions toward man himself and the notion that if anything happens it is with cause from volition upon part of man or god.
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