Why people laugh at Creationists

[Dave Lane]

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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So on with the show:

Here's the Kent Hovind Theory:



"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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I'll admit it. I love Potholer54. This is fantastic...

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[LiveSteam]

You really are a ****ing loon Dave

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

You really are a ****ing loon Dave

Yeah, that Sagan quote is CRAZY.

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[Fish]

JFC, MO.... WTF?

Missouri Bill Would Allow Students To “Opt-Out” of Learning Evolution

Evolution is the central idea in all of biology, so one would automatically assume that a child learning about the life sciences would be learning about the change of organisms over time - right? Well, apparently that’s not the case for a lawmaker in Missouri. Last week, Republican State Representative Rick Brattin introduced HB1472, which would require public and charter schools to notify parents if their children are receiving instruction about evolution and allow them to pull the student from the class, if desired.

The bill itself is quite short and does not clarify if a student would be exempt from the direct teaching of evolution or if they will not have to participate in anything strongly related to evolution, like taxonomy, fossils, or genetics. In that case, the student might as well not be enrolled in the class at all.

Science education advocate Zack Kopplin has been fighting for proper teaching of evolution and other politically controversial topics for nearly three years in his home state of Louisiana and his adopted state of Texas. When asked about HB1472, he told IFLS: “Missouri’s creationism bill is part of a strategy that creationists are now using to sneak religion into public schools. Because of court rulings like Edwards v. Aguillard and Kitzmiller v. Dover, creationism or its offshoot intelligent design creationism are no longer directly allowed into public school science classes. Instead, creationists pass legislation that allows “critiques” of evolution or “all sides” to be taught.”

Yes, you read that correctly. Back in 1987, the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional for Creationism to be taught in publicly funded classrooms and the decision was extended to include Intelligent Design in 2005. While these rulings should have made it very clear that evolution is the only theory about the emergence of biodiversity welcome in science classrooms, the issue has not gone away.

There are still those who feel (despite absolutely no scientific relevance) that their personal religious convictions deserve equal time in the classroom. Unable to get it, they have switched gears and desperately try to poke holes into evolution, though most objections reveal a lack of comprehension on the subject. Rep. Brattin has called evolution instruction “indoctrination” because no opposing viewpoints are taught, even though there aren’t any other scientifically valid theories. Brattin, a self-described “huge science buff,” (go ahead and take a moment to absorb that one) also introduced a bill in 2013 that would require college students to learn about destiny and intelligent design. It also would have redefined the terms “hypothesis” and “theory.”

Fortunately, Missouri governor Jay Nixon does not support HB1472, noting the harm it would have on students in his state: “extricating children from science classes is not in the best interest of our STEM Initiative,” he states. “It’s pretty simple really — good schools help create good jobs. From pre-K to college, we need to make sure every Missouri student has an opportunity to get a good education.”

Even if Nixon does veto the bill and sanity prevails in Missouri, it still does not address the fact that these baseless attacks on science keep popping up. Kopplin added, “There are no legitimate scientific critiques of evolution that need to be brought into public schools and there’s not two sides of the science. The only reason for legislation like this is to sneak creationism into public school classrooms, and the legislative intent behind these laws is clear.”

Politicians who introduce idiotic bills like HB1472 are only in office because they were elected, and it just so happens that Rep. Rick Brattin and many others are up for re-election this November. If you aren’t sure which candidates you will be voting for, call them up and find out how they would be expected to vote on bills such as this, which do nothing but hurt students’ education and make the public erroneously believe the existence of evolution is up for debate.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by Fish

JFC, MO.... WTF?

Missouri Bill Would Allow Students To “Opt-Out” of Learning Evolution

They already have the ability to opt-out. It's called home schooling.
Let em do that and get whatever high school diploma they get for graduating from home school.

On a related note, anyone know how someone graduates from high school when it was a home school education? Do they still have to pass some kind of standardized test to see that they learned what they were supposed to learn? Are they allowed to just skip the objectionable parts?

[Dave Lane]

[Loneiguana]

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

They already have the ability to opt-out. It's called home schooling.
Let em do that and get whatever high school diploma they get for graduating from home school.

On a related note, anyone know how someone graduates from high school when it was a home school education? Do they still have to pass some kind of standardized test to see that they learned what they were supposed to learn? Are they allowed to just skip the objectionable parts?

Yes, home school kids take standardized tests.

No, they don't skip parts.

And guess what? By and large, they score in the top 5 percent of their classes.

Imagine that.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yes, home school kids take standardized tests.

No, they don't skip parts.

And guess what? By and large, they score in the top 5 percent of their classes.

Imagine that.

And they also take the SAT and ACT if they want to get into college. They're such good students, colleges actively recruit them and grant them scholarships. Full ones even.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

And they also take the SAT and ACT if they want to get into college. They're such good students, colleges actively recruit them and grant them scholarships. Full ones even.

Yep.

And when secular homeschoolers asked Bill Nye if he would assist with creating a non-Creationist science curriculum for homeschoolers?

Homeschoolers will never create the Boeing 797 because that requires teamwork. They don't need science.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yep.

And when secular homeschoolers asked Bill Nye if he would assist with creating a non-Creationist science curriculum for homeschoolers?

Homeschoolers will never create the Boeing 797 because that requires teamwork. They don't need science.

As if they're isolated learners just because they're not learning in a collectivist environment.